Skip to content
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Tags
  • Popular
  • World
  • Users
  • Groups
Skins
  • Light
  • Brite
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (Cyborg)
  • No Skin
Collapse
Brand Logo

CIRCLE WITH A DOT

  1. Home
  2. Uncategorized
  3. I'm a big fan of this explanation/rant from Andrew Murphy.

I'm a big fan of this explanation/rant from Andrew Murphy.

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved Uncategorized
47 Posts 35 Posters 0 Views
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • elizayer@mastodon.socialE elizayer@mastodon.social

    I'm a big fan of this explanation/rant from Andrew Murphy.

    Taken as a whole, there are many bottlenecks in a corporate software development process. The "load-bearing" calendar is a great example!

    Speeding up code creation just increases pressure on the bottleneck, which decreases throughput.

    Link Preview Image
    If you thought the speed of writing code was your problem - you have bigger problems | Debugging Leadership

    AI coding tools are optimising the wrong thing and nobody wants to hear it. Writing code was already fast. The bottleneck is everything else: unclear requirements, review queues, terrified deploy cultures, and an org chart that needs six meetings to decide what colour the button should be.

    favicon

    Debugging Leadership (andrewmurphy.io)

    alanxoc3@tilde.zoneA This user is from outside of this forum
    alanxoc3@tilde.zoneA This user is from outside of this forum
    alanxoc3@tilde.zone
    wrote last edited by
    #23

    @elizayer Very very true.

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
    • elizayer@mastodon.socialE elizayer@mastodon.social

      The fact that we are *not* seeing wildly improving software all around us tells us everything we need to know.

      There is no flourishing of value delivery, new product categories, more needs being satisfied better. It’s the opposite.

      All we are seeing is decreases in quality, because 👏 code 👏 creation 👏 is not 👏 the problem.

      kirakira@furry.engineerK This user is from outside of this forum
      kirakira@furry.engineerK This user is from outside of this forum
      kirakira@furry.engineer
      wrote last edited by
      #24

      @elizayer i think about this. according to the promises, all the little snags and bugs and oversights in all the software i use should be gone by now. "everyone's focusing on bigger things" doesn't excuse it, i was given the expectation these types of fixes should have been trivial and quick. computing should be better than ever, or at least as good as it was in the 2010s

      1 Reply Last reply
      0
      • beep@follow.ethanmarcotte.comB beep@follow.ethanmarcotte.com

        @Niall @elizayer While I haven’t listened to the episode — I didn’t realize Pinnamaneni and Vogt had a new project, after the Gimlet debacle — I can say the accessibility question here in Boston is much, much more complicated than that.

        niall@mastodon.nzN This user is from outside of this forum
        niall@mastodon.nzN This user is from outside of this forum
        niall@mastodon.nz
        wrote last edited by
        #25

        @beep @elizayer well yes, it's clear you haven't listened to the episode 😉

        1 Reply Last reply
        0
        • elizayer@mastodon.socialE elizayer@mastodon.social

          I'm a big fan of this explanation/rant from Andrew Murphy.

          Taken as a whole, there are many bottlenecks in a corporate software development process. The "load-bearing" calendar is a great example!

          Speeding up code creation just increases pressure on the bottleneck, which decreases throughput.

          Link Preview Image
          If you thought the speed of writing code was your problem - you have bigger problems | Debugging Leadership

          AI coding tools are optimising the wrong thing and nobody wants to hear it. Writing code was already fast. The bottleneck is everything else: unclear requirements, review queues, terrified deploy cultures, and an org chart that needs six meetings to decide what colour the button should be.

          favicon

          Debugging Leadership (andrewmurphy.io)

          nickrauchen@c.imN This user is from outside of this forum
          nickrauchen@c.imN This user is from outside of this forum
          nickrauchen@c.im
          wrote last edited by
          #26

          @elizayer

          "The Mythical Man Month"

          Link Preview Image
          The Mythical Man-Month - Wikipedia

          favicon

          (en.wikipedia.org)

          Link Preview Image
          1 Reply Last reply
          0
          • mtnrbq65@social.vivaldi.netM mtnrbq65@social.vivaldi.net

            @elizayer

            Absolutely:
            "More code, less understanding. That's not a productivity gain. That's a time bomb with a nicer dashboard."

            aeischeid@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
            aeischeid@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
            aeischeid@mastodon.social
            wrote last edited by
            #27

            @mtnrbq65 @elizayer developers sometimes reference the 80/20 rule. And let's say in certain ways LLM code tools can get you through that 80% part faster, but they also have very real risk of making the last 20% even slower.

            1 Reply Last reply
            0
            • elizayer@mastodon.socialE elizayer@mastodon.social

              The fact that we are *not* seeing wildly improving software all around us tells us everything we need to know.

              There is no flourishing of value delivery, new product categories, more needs being satisfied better. It’s the opposite.

              All we are seeing is decreases in quality, because 👏 code 👏 creation 👏 is not 👏 the problem.

              wbftw@hachyderm.ioW This user is from outside of this forum
              wbftw@hachyderm.ioW This user is from outside of this forum
              wbftw@hachyderm.io
              wrote last edited by
              #28

              @elizayer yes, this. Code creation hasn’t been an issue for a long, long, long time. See “no silver bullet” (https://worrydream.com/refs/Brooks_1986_-_No_Silver_Bullet.pdf) written in *1986*.

              1 Reply Last reply
              0
              • elizayer@mastodon.socialE elizayer@mastodon.social

                I'm a big fan of this explanation/rant from Andrew Murphy.

                Taken as a whole, there are many bottlenecks in a corporate software development process. The "load-bearing" calendar is a great example!

                Speeding up code creation just increases pressure on the bottleneck, which decreases throughput.

                Link Preview Image
                If you thought the speed of writing code was your problem - you have bigger problems | Debugging Leadership

                AI coding tools are optimising the wrong thing and nobody wants to hear it. Writing code was already fast. The bottleneck is everything else: unclear requirements, review queues, terrified deploy cultures, and an org chart that needs six meetings to decide what colour the button should be.

                favicon

                Debugging Leadership (andrewmurphy.io)

                standard_phil@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
                standard_phil@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
                standard_phil@infosec.exchange
                wrote last edited by
                #29

                @elizayer I've listened to a few podcasts now where software company executives (and even a CEO, who I would have expected to know better because he's a CEO) have talked about how much faster their teams are producing code, and since their QA teams can't keep up they've fired those people and are using Claude for QA now.

                I get that devs don't study management subjects (I was one myself, many years ago) so they won't necessarily know how to find and fix bottlenecks, but I'm genuinely disappointed that software industry executives don't realise they're in a manufacturing business, nor do they understand how to optimise their value chains.

                I know it's a cliche to say that people fail upwards, and I've worked with many executives who were clearly in their roles because they were intelligent, educated, and were delivering at a strategic level - but I'm beginning to wonder if software businesses are a special case.

                1 Reply Last reply
                0
                • elizayer@mastodon.socialE elizayer@mastodon.social

                  The fact that we are *not* seeing wildly improving software all around us tells us everything we need to know.

                  There is no flourishing of value delivery, new product categories, more needs being satisfied better. It’s the opposite.

                  All we are seeing is decreases in quality, because 👏 code 👏 creation 👏 is not 👏 the problem.

                  guitarsith@fosstodon.orgG This user is from outside of this forum
                  guitarsith@fosstodon.orgG This user is from outside of this forum
                  guitarsith@fosstodon.org
                  wrote last edited by
                  #30

                  @elizayer
                  Almost all of the code written by the major software companies since the late 80’s has been bloatware. Especially operating systems. The days when programming was an art and minimizing resource usage was the primary consideration are long gone. If that code is what AI and these LLM’s are being “trained” on then expect software to continue its downward spiral.

                  1 Reply Last reply
                  0
                  • elizayer@mastodon.socialE elizayer@mastodon.social

                    I'm a big fan of this explanation/rant from Andrew Murphy.

                    Taken as a whole, there are many bottlenecks in a corporate software development process. The "load-bearing" calendar is a great example!

                    Speeding up code creation just increases pressure on the bottleneck, which decreases throughput.

                    Link Preview Image
                    If you thought the speed of writing code was your problem - you have bigger problems | Debugging Leadership

                    AI coding tools are optimising the wrong thing and nobody wants to hear it. Writing code was already fast. The bottleneck is everything else: unclear requirements, review queues, terrified deploy cultures, and an org chart that needs six meetings to decide what colour the button should be.

                    favicon

                    Debugging Leadership (andrewmurphy.io)

                    mjt@mastodon.onlineM This user is from outside of this forum
                    mjt@mastodon.onlineM This user is from outside of this forum
                    mjt@mastodon.online
                    wrote last edited by
                    #31

                    @elizayer This is a fabulously well-written article on flow, constraints, and fixing the biggest constraint first. Well worth nyour time if you do…well, anything.

                    1 Reply Last reply
                    0
                    • aedius@lavraievie.socialA aedius@lavraievie.social

                      @elizayer

                      The good news is :

                      Open source maintainers see an increase in the quality of AI security tools, it will soon be in the hands of the bad actors.

                      Then it will be mandatory to do good software and ( i will make the leap of faith that ) you have to understand the business needs to create a simple software that handle the issues.

                      wila@mastodon.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
                      wila@mastodon.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
                      wila@mastodon.social
                      wrote last edited by
                      #32

                      @Aedius @elizayer there's just going to be less open source

                      aedius@lavraievie.socialA 1 Reply Last reply
                      0
                      • spazcosoft@peoplemaking.gamesS spazcosoft@peoplemaking.games

                        @elizayer to be 100% completely super fair, we are seeing a massive increase in scams. So AI is good for something. Scams. It’s good for scams.

                        waldi@chaos.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
                        waldi@chaos.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
                        waldi@chaos.social
                        wrote last edited by
                        #33

                        @spazcosoft @elizayer Wasn't this always? Newly hyped stuff is used for scam, or porn, or both.

                        1 Reply Last reply
                        0
                        • wila@mastodon.socialW wila@mastodon.social

                          @Aedius @elizayer there's just going to be less open source

                          aedius@lavraievie.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
                          aedius@lavraievie.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
                          aedius@lavraievie.social
                          wrote last edited by
                          #34

                          @wila @elizayer

                          All code is open source when you push it with a map file.

                          wila@mastodon.socialW 1 Reply Last reply
                          0
                          • aedius@lavraievie.socialA aedius@lavraievie.social

                            @wila @elizayer

                            All code is open source when you push it with a map file.

                            wila@mastodon.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
                            wila@mastodon.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
                            wila@mastodon.social
                            wrote last edited by
                            #35

                            @Aedius @elizayer when it is javascript yes.
                            I wasn't talking about less slop.
                            There will be more of that.

                            1 Reply Last reply
                            0
                            • robtherunt@cupoftea.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
                              robtherunt@cupoftea.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
                              robtherunt@cupoftea.social
                              wrote last edited by
                              #36

                              @macronencer @mroach @elizayer
                              When I was working, I would regularly solve a development issue while in the shower. I think it’s the brain being unstressed that does that.

                              mroach@ublog.mroach.comM 1 Reply Last reply
                              0
                              • elizayer@mastodon.socialE elizayer@mastodon.social

                                The fact that we are *not* seeing wildly improving software all around us tells us everything we need to know.

                                There is no flourishing of value delivery, new product categories, more needs being satisfied better. It’s the opposite.

                                All we are seeing is decreases in quality, because 👏 code 👏 creation 👏 is not 👏 the problem.

                                ulveon@derg.socialU This user is from outside of this forum
                                ulveon@derg.socialU This user is from outside of this forum
                                ulveon@derg.social
                                wrote last edited by
                                #37

                                @elizayer@mastodon.social Claude Code found a 23-year-old Linux vulnerability, the kind a regular human security auditor would have taken weeks or months to find (or in this case, 23 years). https://mtlynch.io/claude-code-found-linux-vulnerability/

                                diekehrseite@mastodon.socialD 1 Reply Last reply
                                0
                                • robtherunt@cupoftea.socialR robtherunt@cupoftea.social

                                  @macronencer @mroach @elizayer
                                  When I was working, I would regularly solve a development issue while in the shower. I think it’s the brain being unstressed that does that.

                                  mroach@ublog.mroach.comM This user is from outside of this forum
                                  mroach@ublog.mroach.comM This user is from outside of this forum
                                  mroach@ublog.mroach.com
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #38

                                  @robtherunt @macronencer @elizayer Same! I’ve half jokingly said my bathroom is the most productive room in my home office setup. Sitting on the toilet and lots of a-ha moments

                                  1 Reply Last reply
                                  0
                                  • elizayer@mastodon.socialE elizayer@mastodon.social

                                    I'm a big fan of this explanation/rant from Andrew Murphy.

                                    Taken as a whole, there are many bottlenecks in a corporate software development process. The "load-bearing" calendar is a great example!

                                    Speeding up code creation just increases pressure on the bottleneck, which decreases throughput.

                                    Link Preview Image
                                    If you thought the speed of writing code was your problem - you have bigger problems | Debugging Leadership

                                    AI coding tools are optimising the wrong thing and nobody wants to hear it. Writing code was already fast. The bottleneck is everything else: unclear requirements, review queues, terrified deploy cultures, and an org chart that needs six meetings to decide what colour the button should be.

                                    favicon

                                    Debugging Leadership (andrewmurphy.io)

                                    joeslow@me.dmJ This user is from outside of this forum
                                    joeslow@me.dmJ This user is from outside of this forum
                                    joeslow@me.dm
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #39

                                    @elizayer @trendytoots I can very much relate to this

                                    1 Reply Last reply
                                    0
                                    • elizayer@mastodon.socialE elizayer@mastodon.social

                                      So why are we still trying to optimize code creation?

                                      For decades, people with power - executives and product people - have been shifting the blame for strategy failures and poor market insight onto development "productivity."

                                      This AI moment should be incredibly clarifying. Like, it should be the reductio ad absurdum of a productivity-centric approach.

                                      elrohir@mastodon.galE This user is from outside of this forum
                                      elrohir@mastodon.galE This user is from outside of this forum
                                      elrohir@mastodon.gal
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #40

                                      @elizayer management blame productivity for strategy failure because their approach to strategy path-finding is flooding: say a bunch of random hunches overconfidently, make teams try different things out for a little while, see what sticks. They see making code faster not as a way to manufacture a good design more efficiently, but as a means to generate management fuck ups and backpedals at faster pace and greater scale.

                                      1 Reply Last reply
                                      0
                                      • elizayer@mastodon.socialE elizayer@mastodon.social

                                        The fact that we are *not* seeing wildly improving software all around us tells us everything we need to know.

                                        There is no flourishing of value delivery, new product categories, more needs being satisfied better. It’s the opposite.

                                        All we are seeing is decreases in quality, because 👏 code 👏 creation 👏 is not 👏 the problem.

                                        nienkez@mastodon.nlN This user is from outside of this forum
                                        nienkez@mastodon.nlN This user is from outside of this forum
                                        nienkez@mastodon.nl
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #41

                                        @elizayer @ArtHarg AI only solves one problem: paying people wages.

                                        1 Reply Last reply
                                        0
                                        • elizayer@mastodon.socialE elizayer@mastodon.social

                                          The fact that we are *not* seeing wildly improving software all around us tells us everything we need to know.

                                          There is no flourishing of value delivery, new product categories, more needs being satisfied better. It’s the opposite.

                                          All we are seeing is decreases in quality, because 👏 code 👏 creation 👏 is not 👏 the problem.

                                          diekehrseite@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
                                          diekehrseite@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
                                          diekehrseite@mastodon.social
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #42

                                          @elizayer word!

                                          1 Reply Last reply
                                          0
                                          Reply
                                          • Reply as topic
                                          Log in to reply
                                          • Oldest to Newest
                                          • Newest to Oldest
                                          • Most Votes


                                          • Login

                                          • Login or register to search.
                                          • First post
                                            Last post
                                          0
                                          • Categories
                                          • Recent
                                          • Tags
                                          • Popular
                                          • World
                                          • Users
                                          • Groups