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Feisal al-Istrabadi, a lawyer and former Iraqi ambassador to the UN from CBC News:

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  • theresareason@mstdn.caT theresareason@mstdn.ca

    Feisal al-Istrabadi, a lawyer and former Iraqi ambassador to the UN from CBC News:

    "He pointed to Carney's speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, last month. "Carney seemed to lament the fact that the rules-based system was being destroyed by the United States," he said. "So how is it that Canada now supports this action without any legal justification?"

    *If countries say that Russia's Vladimir Putin acted illegally in Ukraine, Al-Istrabadi said he doesn't see how they can support Trump’s attacks on Iran.*

    *"They both violated the same basic norms,"* he said. "Customary international law depends very much on what states say it is. So when states start to accept what is currently a lawless use of force, it is actually the norm itself that is degraded."

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    @TheresaReason

    Agreed. I am beginning to wonder if Carney actually understood his own speech.

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    • theresareason@mstdn.caT theresareason@mstdn.ca

      Feisal al-Istrabadi, a lawyer and former Iraqi ambassador to the UN from CBC News:

      "He pointed to Carney's speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, last month. "Carney seemed to lament the fact that the rules-based system was being destroyed by the United States," he said. "So how is it that Canada now supports this action without any legal justification?"

      *If countries say that Russia's Vladimir Putin acted illegally in Ukraine, Al-Istrabadi said he doesn't see how they can support Trump’s attacks on Iran.*

      *"They both violated the same basic norms,"* he said. "Customary international law depends very much on what states say it is. So when states start to accept what is currently a lawless use of force, it is actually the norm itself that is degraded."

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      @TheresaReason @NMBA I think Carney is walking a bit off a tightrope with his wording here. What he actually said was that “Canada supports regime change in Iran”, what he didn’t say was that Canada supports the particular method that the USA was going about it. Canada isn’t supporting the USA/Israel action in any meaningful way, so this is just diplomats being diplomatic. (1/2)

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      • maverick604@mastodon.socialM maverick604@mastodon.social

        @TheresaReason @NMBA I think Carney is walking a bit off a tightrope with his wording here. What he actually said was that “Canada supports regime change in Iran”, what he didn’t say was that Canada supports the particular method that the USA was going about it. Canada isn’t supporting the USA/Israel action in any meaningful way, so this is just diplomats being diplomatic. (1/2)

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        With Canada in America’s crosshairs next & large Iranian & middle eastern populations in Canada, I can see why he needs to watch his words. Of course, it’s disappointing that he can’t take a more hardline approach but let’s face it Canada is already paying a high price for Carney’s confrontations with Trump and is largely doing so without any support from their larger allies. He has to pick his fights. (2/2)

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        • maverick604@mastodon.socialM maverick604@mastodon.social

          @TheresaReason @NMBA I think Carney is walking a bit off a tightrope with his wording here. What he actually said was that “Canada supports regime change in Iran”, what he didn’t say was that Canada supports the particular method that the USA was going about it. Canada isn’t supporting the USA/Israel action in any meaningful way, so this is just diplomats being diplomatic. (1/2)

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          @maverick604 @NMBA read the Spanish President's statement and tell me if you can see the difference. Carney is weak.

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          • theresareason@mstdn.caT theresareason@mstdn.ca

            @maverick604 @NMBA read the Spanish President's statement and tell me if you can see the difference. Carney is weak.

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            @TheresaReason @maverick604 @NMBA I keep seeing these "Carney is weak" comments about a man who had stood up to more world issues than most leaders when what they mean is "I wish Carney always agreed with me."
            Stop it. It's a fallacy.
            #Canada #politics #logic #irrational

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            • theresareason@mstdn.caT theresareason@mstdn.ca

              @maverick604 @NMBA read the Spanish President's statement and tell me if you can see the difference. Carney is weak.

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              @TheresaReason @NMBA It’s easy too talk tough when you don’t have any skin in the game. Spain is not under threat. Canada is already suffering economic war at the hands of the Americans, MAGAts are infecting our political discourse with their insidious & dangerous talking points, and the American President is publicly discussing annexing Canada. Diplomacy is a requirement, not “weakness”.

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              • mikebabcock@floss.socialM mikebabcock@floss.social

                @TheresaReason @maverick604 @NMBA I keep seeing these "Carney is weak" comments about a man who had stood up to more world issues than most leaders when what they mean is "I wish Carney always agreed with me."
                Stop it. It's a fallacy.
                #Canada #politics #logic #irrational

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                @TheresaReason@mstdn.ca @maverick604@mastodon.social @NMBA@mstdn.ca @mikebabcock@floss.social

                "American hegemony is bad... unless I'm asked to fall in line against Venezuela. Or Iran. Or Cuba. Or..."

                I have a bridge to sell you if you think Carney bending the knee to the US breaking international law does anything other than leave Canadians at the whims of American foreign policy.

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                • maverick604@mastodon.socialM maverick604@mastodon.social

                  @TheresaReason @NMBA It’s easy too talk tough when you don’t have any skin in the game. Spain is not under threat. Canada is already suffering economic war at the hands of the Americans, MAGAts are infecting our political discourse with their insidious & dangerous talking points, and the American President is publicly discussing annexing Canada. Diplomacy is a requirement, not “weakness”.

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                  @maverick604 @NMBA I hear you.

                  I personally am willing to support a PM who puts Canada first and calls out wrongs when he sees them even if it means offending Trumps ego.

                  It's naive to think that these little knee bends will keep us in Trump's good graces, all it does is let him know we will show our belly when he comes at us. It's not going to change what the US does at all. It just looks weak and makes Carney a hypocrite.

                  Or, just as unappealing, it's just truly how he feels about the rule of law himself which he has shown signs of before when he's tried to override existing protections and deals. He's showing himself to be an autocrat with few morals but capital.

                  According to his Davos speech he just put his "sign back in the window", he's going along to get along. For a moment the world admired him for his forthrighgness and bravery after that speech. That's all gone, he so obviously folded when it actually counted. Ed sp.

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                  • theresareason@mstdn.caT theresareason@mstdn.ca

                    @maverick604 @NMBA I hear you.

                    I personally am willing to support a PM who puts Canada first and calls out wrongs when he sees them even if it means offending Trumps ego.

                    It's naive to think that these little knee bends will keep us in Trump's good graces, all it does is let him know we will show our belly when he comes at us. It's not going to change what the US does at all. It just looks weak and makes Carney a hypocrite.

                    Or, just as unappealing, it's just truly how he feels about the rule of law himself which he has shown signs of before when he's tried to override existing protections and deals. He's showing himself to be an autocrat with few morals but capital.

                    According to his Davos speech he just put his "sign back in the window", he's going along to get along. For a moment the world admired him for his forthrighgness and bravery after that speech. That's all gone, he so obviously folded when it actually counted. Ed sp.

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                    @TheresaReason @maverick604
                    Give Carney credit where it is deserved: he can write a good speech. Sadly he doesn't walk his talk.

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                    • nmba@mstdn.caN nmba@mstdn.ca

                      @TheresaReason @maverick604
                      Give Carney credit where it is deserved: he can write a good speech. Sadly he doesn't walk his talk.

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                      @NMBA @maverick604 do you think he writes his own speeches? It's doubtful and I think this partly why there is a disconnect.

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                      • theresareason@mstdn.caT theresareason@mstdn.ca

                        @NMBA @maverick604 do you think he writes his own speeches? It's doubtful and I think this partly why there is a disconnect.

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                        @TheresaReason @maverick604
                        I read that he wrote the Davos speech himself.

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                        • nmba@mstdn.caN nmba@mstdn.ca

                          @TheresaReason @maverick604
                          I read that he wrote the Davos speech himself.

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                          @NMBA @maverick604 thanks for confirming. That makes him even more of a hypocrite then IMHO.

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