When I released my 1st novel in 2011, in that first wave of indies leaving the tradpub path & opting into a new kind of writing career, I thought "this will change not just how writers publish but what they write, what kind of careers they'll have".
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@violetmadder @darkuncle @joshsutphin @susankayequinn @Daojoan Unfortunately because of whatever forces of the market, if your works don´t infinitely grow, you won´t make money to sustain yourself. That´s what I see as someone outside of those circles
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@joshsutphin
True enough, but when your writing is niche, then the chances of local support grow slimThis is not going be a universal solution to being heard above the slop machines
I think the assumption that the slop machines are *loud* and that you have to be heard above them is not quite what's really happening. What slop is doing is breaking trust -- people aren't sure what's "real" sometimes -- and also (for books) doing a form of DDOS attack, breaking the actual infrastructure (sci-fi zines, retailer hosting) that delivers stories (distributors are also using AI to justify raising costs on authors).
But it's not burying your work...
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I think the assumption that the slop machines are *loud* and that you have to be heard above them is not quite what's really happening. What slop is doing is breaking trust -- people aren't sure what's "real" sometimes -- and also (for books) doing a form of DDOS attack, breaking the actual infrastructure (sci-fi zines, retailer hosting) that delivers stories (distributors are also using AI to justify raising costs on authors).
But it's not burying your work...
...and in fact the answer to all of it is human-to-human recommendations, which is the primary discovery mechanism for books anyway, and always has been. So, in a way, the distrust that AI breeds drives people to seek more recommendations from trusted friends (in person or online) and increases the usage of human-to-human connection (word of mouth)... which is to our advantage. No one's recommending slop! (well, no one you trust)
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I've had people say "I don't care about money!" (as if it's a badge of honor) and then they set all their books free (or pub online) to have "widest access" and they think that's the way to get "the most" readers. But it's not. It assumes cost is the most important barrier, but it's really not.
I hear you.
The money is certainly not my *primary* motive, and being a bestselling author also holds little interest.However, reaching the kind of reader who is eager to consume dark short stories about murder and misadventure, or novels about delightfully lethal female psychopaths, is tricky unless one goes wide
I don't fancy myself as a brilliant writer, but I do craft stories that are enjoyable to a specific narrow audience
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...and in fact the answer to all of it is human-to-human recommendations, which is the primary discovery mechanism for books anyway, and always has been. So, in a way, the distrust that AI breeds drives people to seek more recommendations from trusted friends (in person or online) and increases the usage of human-to-human connection (word of mouth)... which is to our advantage. No one's recommending slop! (well, no one you trust)
@susankayequinn @screwturn Of note (re: the slop being loud), we're out selling at a local market today, and in this environment, literally nobody cares about or is talking about AI. It's such an internet thing! (And yeah, today's sales won't support us for the year or anything, but it's a validating data point nevertheless.)
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@susankayequinn @screwturn Of note (re: the slop being loud), we're out selling at a local market today, and in this environment, literally nobody cares about or is talking about AI. It's such an internet thing! (And yeah, today's sales won't support us for the year or anything, but it's a validating data point nevertheless.)
@joshsutphin that is awesome! I know when it shows up in real life (this is an issue at some art fairs) that people are very negative about it
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@susankayequinn @screwturn Of note (re: the slop being loud), we're out selling at a local market today, and in this environment, literally nobody cares about or is talking about AI. It's such an internet thing! (And yeah, today's sales won't support us for the year or anything, but it's a validating data point nevertheless.)
Care to elaborate?
Are you setting up a stand with a box of books and a cash box? -
Care to elaborate?
Are you setting up a stand with a box of books and a cash box?@screwturn @susankayequinn Pretty much!
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@screwturn @susankayequinn Pretty much!
@joshsutphin ok I had somehow blanked that you were Shiraki press LOL!! Nice table setup!
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@joshsutphin ok I had somehow blanked that you were Shiraki press LOL!! Nice table setup!
@joshsutphin also my comments about "publishers" are almost always aimed at the Big5/4/howeverManyThereAreNow not small press, who are out there doing some really great work and usually on a shoestring too. I hope you're getting some good response at the tables! I did a lot of tabling last year and meeting readers is really amazing and such good connection/feedback. I'm not tabling this year for Reasons but it's great to see Shiraki doing this!
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@joshsutphin also my comments about "publishers" are almost always aimed at the Big5/4/howeverManyThereAreNow not small press, who are out there doing some really great work and usually on a shoestring too. I hope you're getting some good response at the tables! I did a lot of tabling last year and meeting readers is really amazing and such good connection/feedback. I'm not tabling this year for Reasons but it's great to see Shiraki doing this!
@susankayequinn @screwturn Oh yeah the dichotomy is real for sure. But we did okay for it being our first market! Folks responded pretty positively to our hopepunk brand, although I will say the despair feels so deeply rooted into our culture at this point that that positive response was almost always moderated with nervous laughter. 🫠
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@susankayequinn @screwturn Oh yeah the dichotomy is real for sure. But we did okay for it being our first market! Folks responded pretty positively to our hopepunk brand, although I will say the despair feels so deeply rooted into our culture at this point that that positive response was almost always moderated with nervous laughter. 🫠
@joshsutphin that is so real.
I've been tabling for a few years & last year really was Despair Soup...but people were absolutely hungry for something like real hope. Even in stories (maybe especially). And this is your first time! Exciting.
One thing I've found really helps is having zines to hand out -- especially since you're introducing a new(ish) genre, that's immediately a talk piece.
I spent half my time evangalizing with my #solarpunk zine https://brightgreenfutures.substack.com/p/zines
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@joshsutphin that is so real.
I've been tabling for a few years & last year really was Despair Soup...but people were absolutely hungry for something like real hope. Even in stories (maybe especially). And this is your first time! Exciting.
One thing I've found really helps is having zines to hand out -- especially since you're introducing a new(ish) genre, that's immediately a talk piece.
I spent half my time evangalizing with my #solarpunk zine https://brightgreenfutures.substack.com/p/zines
@susankayequinn @screwturn I so desperately want to produce some. I've got the ideas, but haven't found the time yet amidst the production work for our 2026 slate. This summer should calm down a bit though, so I'm hoping to have them ready by Worldcon at the very least!
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