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My demand for 8/3: Scrap that anti-feminist propaganda machine called genAI!

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  • johnmackay@mastodon.socialJ johnmackay@mastodon.social

    @alineblankertz I agree that we must resist the current trajectory of AI under corporate control. But to say AI cannot be part of a feminist future is to abandon the field. A feminist future shouldn't reject powerful tools; it should seize them. It should demand diverse training data, fund women and non-binary people in AI research, and build open-source models that reflect a pluralistic world. The question isn't if AI is part of our future, but whose AI and what future it will help build.

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    @johnmackay @alineblankertz No. I reject this framing that demands AI be a part of the future because of its power. That type of thinking is antithetical to feminist movements because it prioritizes, centers, and justifies power, not equality or equity.

    You don’t make a feminist future by having more female CEOs. We’ve already had more women in power: we just called them part of the nobility.

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    • alineblankertz@indieweb.socialA alineblankertz@indieweb.social

      The whole set of images is here: https://www.bmftr.bund.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/2025/begleitheft-versaeumte-bilder.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=3

      The professor who prompted the images declared that “surprisingly, there was little resistance” to them:
      https://www.gender-blog.de/beitrag/versaeumte-bilder-frauen-wissenschaft

      Check out @bildoperationen for more on how AI serves to distort history such that it strengthens an anti-feminist present.

      It is just one of many sufficient reasons to resist AI. But still worth saying today:

      If we want to fight for a feminist future, AI must not be part of it.

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      @alineblankertz @bildoperationen What is this document about? I cannot read German, so it really makes no sense to me. Why use GenAI? Why should I care about these fake images? The prompts already look anti-feminist to me, so it does not surprise me that the generated images are too. If this is meant to celebrate these women, generating bad, fake photos does not seem like a good way to do so. Independent of the way these images were generated.

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      • alineblankertz@indieweb.socialA alineblankertz@indieweb.social

        The whole set of images is here: https://www.bmftr.bund.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/2025/begleitheft-versaeumte-bilder.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=3

        The professor who prompted the images declared that “surprisingly, there was little resistance” to them:
        https://www.gender-blog.de/beitrag/versaeumte-bilder-frauen-wissenschaft

        Check out @bildoperationen for more on how AI serves to distort history such that it strengthens an anti-feminist present.

        It is just one of many sufficient reasons to resist AI. But still worth saying today:

        If we want to fight for a feminist future, AI must not be part of it.

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        @alineblankertz @bildoperationen Seems to be a trend in the "history" of science field. That feels very strange for historians.
        https://dis-le.de/display/50619573-c446e9be-4b20a6bd459f2525

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        • alineblankertz@indieweb.socialA alineblankertz@indieweb.social

          My demand for 8/3: Scrap that anti-feminist propaganda machine called genAI! It generates misogynist slop even in the hands of those declaring to want the opposite.

          The German ministry for research @bmftr_bund just published a paper depicting female researchers in history who have been distorted to conform to gender norms - even with explicit prompts for smiles and dancing. But even without such prompts genAI reproduces and reinforces female oppression.

          Publicly funded.

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          @alineblankertz @bmftr_bund yes. they send me the calender. I especially hate the picture of Lise Meitner with Emo Make-Up an cigarette Finger.

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          • sonjalemke@ruhr.socialS sonjalemke@ruhr.social

            @alineblankertz @bmftr_bund yes. they send me the calender. I especially hate the picture of Lise Meitner with Emo Make-Up an cigarette Finger.

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            @alineblankertz @bmftr_bund und ich hasse wie die es "versäumte Bilder" nennen, wo es von fast allen Frauen der serie echte Fotos gibt. Hatte mal überlegt n Thread dazu zu machen, was alles daran problematisch ist, bin aber nicht zu gekommen.

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            • canleaf@mastodon.socialC canleaf@mastodon.social

              @clickhere @alineblankertz @bildoperationen @bmftr_bund Likewise people have been traveled and had the best shots in the video and STILL use AI. It makes THEM look like fools. They look like caricatures in these. We have photos and still people prompt public memory and their brains away.

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              @canleaf It's bizarre! Incomprehensible. And, frankly, insulting to these women and their accomplishments.

              @alineblankertz @bildoperationen @bmftr_bund

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                @keywan @bmftr_bund
                I disagree. Using an example rather than a comprehensive description is not misleading, it is what using an example means.

                Many of the prompts include “smiling” and other highly misogynist elements; various of them include “in the style of” specifications to imitate real artists and devalue their work; besides, the outputs exhibit toxic beauty norms not explicitly prompted. And there are many more specific criticisms, feel free to expand.

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                • alineblankertz@indieweb.socialA alineblankertz@indieweb.social

                  @keywan @bmftr_bund
                  I disagree. Using an example rather than a comprehensive description is not misleading, it is what using an example means.

                  Many of the prompts include “smiling” and other highly misogynist elements; various of them include “in the style of” specifications to imitate real artists and devalue their work; besides, the outputs exhibit toxic beauty norms not explicitly prompted. And there are many more specific criticisms, feel free to expand.

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                  @keywan

                  And btw, I suggest calling “AI” slop image or visual output. Calling them photo suggests that they are a snapshot of a real place in a real moment in time which is obviously misleading.

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                  • alineblankertz@indieweb.socialA alineblankertz@indieweb.social

                    The whole set of images is here: https://www.bmftr.bund.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/2025/begleitheft-versaeumte-bilder.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=3

                    The professor who prompted the images declared that “surprisingly, there was little resistance” to them:
                    https://www.gender-blog.de/beitrag/versaeumte-bilder-frauen-wissenschaft

                    Check out @bildoperationen for more on how AI serves to distort history such that it strengthens an anti-feminist present.

                    It is just one of many sufficient reasons to resist AI. But still worth saying today:

                    If we want to fight for a feminist future, AI must not be part of it.

                    2/2

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                    @alineblankertz @bildoperationen ping @Freelens

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                    • alineblankertz@indieweb.socialA alineblankertz@indieweb.social

                      The whole set of images is here: https://www.bmftr.bund.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/2025/begleitheft-versaeumte-bilder.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=3

                      The professor who prompted the images declared that “surprisingly, there was little resistance” to them:
                      https://www.gender-blog.de/beitrag/versaeumte-bilder-frauen-wissenschaft

                      Check out @bildoperationen for more on how AI serves to distort history such that it strengthens an anti-feminist present.

                      It is just one of many sufficient reasons to resist AI. But still worth saying today:

                      If we want to fight for a feminist future, AI must not be part of it.

                      2/2

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                      @alineblankertz @bildoperationen Compare the discussion surrounding photographer Boris #Eldagsen's AI-generated work, which won him the #Sony World Photography #Award 2023, only for him to reject the prize:

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                      Fotograf reicht mit KI erzeugtes Werk ein und gewinnt Foto-Preis

                      Der Berliner Fotograf Boris Eldagsen schuf ein Bild mithilfe von Künstlicher Intelligenz. Damit gewann er prompt einen renommierten Fotopreis – will diesen nun aber nicht annehmen.

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                      (www.spiegel.de)

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                      • alineblankertz@indieweb.socialA alineblankertz@indieweb.social

                        My demand for 8/3: Scrap that anti-feminist propaganda machine called genAI! It generates misogynist slop even in the hands of those declaring to want the opposite.

                        The German ministry for research @bmftr_bund just published a paper depicting female researchers in history who have been distorted to conform to gender norms - even with explicit prompts for smiles and dancing. But even without such prompts genAI reproduces and reinforces female oppression.

                        Publicly funded.

                        1/2

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                        @alineblankertz @bmftr_bund This is beyond shameful. Specially considering all the exploited women data workers behind these softwares and the open, public misogyny of the creators of these tools.

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                        • alineblankertz@indieweb.socialA alineblankertz@indieweb.social

                          The whole set of images is here: https://www.bmftr.bund.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/2025/begleitheft-versaeumte-bilder.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=3

                          The professor who prompted the images declared that “surprisingly, there was little resistance” to them:
                          https://www.gender-blog.de/beitrag/versaeumte-bilder-frauen-wissenschaft

                          Check out @bildoperationen for more on how AI serves to distort history such that it strengthens an anti-feminist present.

                          It is just one of many sufficient reasons to resist AI. But still worth saying today:

                          If we want to fight for a feminist future, AI must not be part of it.

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                          @alineblankertz @bildoperationen peak white feminism "Die Schader Stiftung hat einen Open Call gestartet und wissenschaftliche Institute in der Umgebung eingeladen, eigene Frauen vorzuschlagen, die sie für übergangen hielten. Ab diesem Moment wurde das Projekt *partizipativ* , was ein wichtiger Schritt war."

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                          • alineblankertz@indieweb.socialA alineblankertz@indieweb.social

                            The whole set of images is here: https://www.bmftr.bund.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/2025/begleitheft-versaeumte-bilder.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=3

                            The professor who prompted the images declared that “surprisingly, there was little resistance” to them:
                            https://www.gender-blog.de/beitrag/versaeumte-bilder-frauen-wissenschaft

                            Check out @bildoperationen for more on how AI serves to distort history such that it strengthens an anti-feminist present.

                            It is just one of many sufficient reasons to resist AI. But still worth saying today:

                            If we want to fight for a feminist future, AI must not be part of it.

                            2/2

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                            @alineblankertz @bildoperationen

                            Also relevant in this context: The decision whether to smile is not only personal, but also cultural. https://medium.com/@socialcreature/ai-and-the-american-smile-76d23a0fbfaf

                            So forcing these specific women to smile is wrong on even more levels.

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