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My demand for 8/3: Scrap that anti-feminist propaganda machine called genAI!

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  • johnmackay@mastodon.socialJ johnmackay@mastodon.social

    @alineblankertz I agree that we must resist the current trajectory of AI under corporate control. But to say AI cannot be part of a feminist future is to abandon the field. A feminist future shouldn't reject powerful tools; it should seize them. It should demand diverse training data, fund women and non-binary people in AI research, and build open-source models that reflect a pluralistic world. The question isn't if AI is part of our future, but whose AI and what future it will help build.

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    @johnmackay you're speaking to the wrong crowd unfortunately, but you're right, just right too early.

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    • imbl@social.treehouse.systemsI imbl@social.treehouse.systems

      @johnmackay @alineblankertz that was me being sarcastic to satirize you, moid

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      @imbl @johnmackay @alineblankertz using moid unironically 🥀💀

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      • budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB budududuroiu@hachyderm.io

        @imbl @johnmackay @alineblankertz using moid unironically 🥀💀

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        @budududuroiu @alineblankertz are you more upset about the word moid, or the overt misogyny from a dude who called me hysterical on women's day?

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        • imbl@social.treehouse.systemsI imbl@social.treehouse.systems

          @budududuroiu @alineblankertz are you more upset about the word moid, or the overt misogyny from a dude who called me hysterical on women's day?

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          @imbl @alineblankertz it's you lot's fight, not my business. I just find it surprising people willfully choose to use 4chan lingo in the year of the lord 2026

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          • budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB budududuroiu@hachyderm.io

            @imbl @alineblankertz it's you lot's fight, not my business. I just find it surprising people willfully choose to use 4chan lingo in the year of the lord 2026

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            @budududuroiu @alineblankertz ive got bad news for you about where the entirety of online culture comes from, bud

            but yeah, real nice allyship to women there. definitely more concerned about misandrist slurs than pedofascist misogyny 🙄 i hope a woman never has to be anywhere near you

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            • johnmackay@mastodon.socialJ johnmackay@mastodon.social

              @alineblankertz I agree that we must resist the current trajectory of AI under corporate control. But to say AI cannot be part of a feminist future is to abandon the field. A feminist future shouldn't reject powerful tools; it should seize them. It should demand diverse training data, fund women and non-binary people in AI research, and build open-source models that reflect a pluralistic world. The question isn't if AI is part of our future, but whose AI and what future it will help build.

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              @johnmackay @alineblankertz And then, you will be fighting an endless fight you can't win, using forces you don't have to hopefully reach something you will never reach, because to reach gender equality and the goals of the feminist agenda, you have to fight against the system to change all the rotness that lies below, and in that new world, present commercial gen AI has no place because in the end, it is an instrument for the enemy, not a tool for us. It's part of the problem, not the solution.

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              • alineblankertz@indieweb.socialA alineblankertz@indieweb.social

                My demand for 8/3: Scrap that anti-feminist propaganda machine called genAI! It generates misogynist slop even in the hands of those declaring to want the opposite.

                The German ministry for research @bmftr_bund just published a paper depicting female researchers in history who have been distorted to conform to gender norms - even with explicit prompts for smiles and dancing. But even without such prompts genAI reproduces and reinforces female oppression.

                Publicly funded.

                1/2

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                @alineblankertz @bmftr_bund AI will destory public memory, history and lessons learned. Way to go Germany. AI wird öffentliches Gedächtnis, Geschichte und Lehren zerstören. Nur so weiter Deutschland.

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                • clickhere@mastodon.ieC clickhere@mastodon.ie

                  @alineblankertz @bildoperationen Hang on, wtf is this?? I'm struggling to understand: @bmftr_bund *already had* photos of these women, so what was the motivation for this entire project?

                  Were these women in these photos not acceptable as they were?

                  It's giving extreme male gaze vibes, and the absolute ick.

                  I'm getting flashbacks of street harassment from men shouting things like, "Give us a smile, love, it might never happen."

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                  @clickhere @alineblankertz @bildoperationen @bmftr_bund Likewise people have been traveled and had the best shots in the video and STILL use AI. It makes THEM look like fools. They look like caricatures in these. We have photos and still people prompt public memory and their brains away.

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                  • budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB budududuroiu@hachyderm.io

                    @imbl @alineblankertz it's you lot's fight, not my business. I just find it surprising people willfully choose to use 4chan lingo in the year of the lord 2026

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                    @budududuroiu @imbl @alineblankertz

                    > year of our Lord 2026

                    you won't believe who popularized the usage of this phrase
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                    • clover@akko.wtfC clover@akko.wtf
                      @budududuroiu @imbl @alineblankertz

                      > year of our Lord 2026

                      you won't believe who popularized the usage of this phrase
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                      @Clover @alineblankertz @imbl I'm on the edge of my seat, itching to know

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                      • budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB budududuroiu@hachyderm.io

                        @Clover @alineblankertz @imbl I'm on the edge of my seat, itching to know

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                        @budududuroiu@hachyderm.io @alineblankertz@indieweb.social @imbl@social.treehouse.systems the post was more of a rhetorical question assuming you knew, but yeah it was popularized in more modern usage in memes and such on 4chan

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                        • clover@akko.wtfC clover@akko.wtf

                          @budududuroiu@hachyderm.io @alineblankertz@indieweb.social @imbl@social.treehouse.systems the post was more of a rhetorical question assuming you knew, but yeah it was popularized in more modern usage in memes and such on 4chan

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                          @Clover @alineblankertz @imbl oh how the turntables

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                          • johnmackay@mastodon.socialJ johnmackay@mastodon.social

                            @alineblankertz I agree that we must resist the current trajectory of AI under corporate control. But to say AI cannot be part of a feminist future is to abandon the field. A feminist future shouldn't reject powerful tools; it should seize them. It should demand diverse training data, fund women and non-binary people in AI research, and build open-source models that reflect a pluralistic world. The question isn't if AI is part of our future, but whose AI and what future it will help build.

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                            @johnmackay @alineblankertz No. I reject this framing that demands AI be a part of the future because of its power. That type of thinking is antithetical to feminist movements because it prioritizes, centers, and justifies power, not equality or equity.

                            You don’t make a feminist future by having more female CEOs. We’ve already had more women in power: we just called them part of the nobility.

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                            • alineblankertz@indieweb.socialA alineblankertz@indieweb.social

                              The whole set of images is here: https://www.bmftr.bund.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/2025/begleitheft-versaeumte-bilder.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=3

                              The professor who prompted the images declared that “surprisingly, there was little resistance” to them:
                              https://www.gender-blog.de/beitrag/versaeumte-bilder-frauen-wissenschaft

                              Check out @bildoperationen for more on how AI serves to distort history such that it strengthens an anti-feminist present.

                              It is just one of many sufficient reasons to resist AI. But still worth saying today:

                              If we want to fight for a feminist future, AI must not be part of it.

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                              @alineblankertz @bildoperationen What is this document about? I cannot read German, so it really makes no sense to me. Why use GenAI? Why should I care about these fake images? The prompts already look anti-feminist to me, so it does not surprise me that the generated images are too. If this is meant to celebrate these women, generating bad, fake photos does not seem like a good way to do so. Independent of the way these images were generated.

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                              • alineblankertz@indieweb.socialA alineblankertz@indieweb.social

                                The whole set of images is here: https://www.bmftr.bund.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/2025/begleitheft-versaeumte-bilder.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=3

                                The professor who prompted the images declared that “surprisingly, there was little resistance” to them:
                                https://www.gender-blog.de/beitrag/versaeumte-bilder-frauen-wissenschaft

                                Check out @bildoperationen for more on how AI serves to distort history such that it strengthens an anti-feminist present.

                                It is just one of many sufficient reasons to resist AI. But still worth saying today:

                                If we want to fight for a feminist future, AI must not be part of it.

                                2/2

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                                @alineblankertz @bildoperationen Seems to be a trend in the "history" of science field. That feels very strange for historians.
                                https://dis-le.de/display/50619573-c446e9be-4b20a6bd459f2525

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                                • alineblankertz@indieweb.socialA alineblankertz@indieweb.social

                                  My demand for 8/3: Scrap that anti-feminist propaganda machine called genAI! It generates misogynist slop even in the hands of those declaring to want the opposite.

                                  The German ministry for research @bmftr_bund just published a paper depicting female researchers in history who have been distorted to conform to gender norms - even with explicit prompts for smiles and dancing. But even without such prompts genAI reproduces and reinforces female oppression.

                                  Publicly funded.

                                  1/2

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                                  @alineblankertz @bmftr_bund yes. they send me the calender. I especially hate the picture of Lise Meitner with Emo Make-Up an cigarette Finger.

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                                  • sonjalemke@ruhr.socialS sonjalemke@ruhr.social

                                    @alineblankertz @bmftr_bund yes. they send me the calender. I especially hate the picture of Lise Meitner with Emo Make-Up an cigarette Finger.

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                                    @alineblankertz @bmftr_bund und ich hasse wie die es "versäumte Bilder" nennen, wo es von fast allen Frauen der serie echte Fotos gibt. Hatte mal überlegt n Thread dazu zu machen, was alles daran problematisch ist, bin aber nicht zu gekommen.

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                                    • canleaf@mastodon.socialC canleaf@mastodon.social

                                      @clickhere @alineblankertz @bildoperationen @bmftr_bund Likewise people have been traveled and had the best shots in the video and STILL use AI. It makes THEM look like fools. They look like caricatures in these. We have photos and still people prompt public memory and their brains away.

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                                      @canleaf It's bizarre! Incomprehensible. And, frankly, insulting to these women and their accomplishments.

                                      @alineblankertz @bildoperationen @bmftr_bund

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                                        @keywan @bmftr_bund
                                        I disagree. Using an example rather than a comprehensive description is not misleading, it is what using an example means.

                                        Many of the prompts include “smiling” and other highly misogynist elements; various of them include “in the style of” specifications to imitate real artists and devalue their work; besides, the outputs exhibit toxic beauty norms not explicitly prompted. And there are many more specific criticisms, feel free to expand.

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                                        • alineblankertz@indieweb.socialA alineblankertz@indieweb.social

                                          @keywan @bmftr_bund
                                          I disagree. Using an example rather than a comprehensive description is not misleading, it is what using an example means.

                                          Many of the prompts include “smiling” and other highly misogynist elements; various of them include “in the style of” specifications to imitate real artists and devalue their work; besides, the outputs exhibit toxic beauty norms not explicitly prompted. And there are many more specific criticisms, feel free to expand.

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                                          @keywan

                                          And btw, I suggest calling “AI” slop image or visual output. Calling them photo suggests that they are a snapshot of a real place in a real moment in time which is obviously misleading.

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