Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13.
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@nathandyer
I'm not sure about the point of the post.
1. anecdotal evidence is not a solid back up for an argument.
2. I don't think anybody is blocking young people from tinkering at home?
3. Putting hurdles in the way adds motivation to learn or find creative ways how to circumvent them.
4. Big corporations have teams of psychologists convincing people to spend time on their platforms. The assumption that young people are cleverer than them is disrespecting the psychological profession.I have been using electronic social media since before it had a name. Started on bbs and chat bbs.
Being a quiet shy bullied kid, it opened up a whole new world. Would have loved to had what we have now as a way of communicating, learning and collaboration and creativity.
Happy to have the kids on social media.
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@nathandyer
I'm not sure about the point of the post.
1. anecdotal evidence is not a solid back up for an argument.
2. I don't think anybody is blocking young people from tinkering at home?
3. Putting hurdles in the way adds motivation to learn or find creative ways how to circumvent them.
4. Big corporations have teams of psychologists convincing people to spend time on their platforms. The assumption that young people are cleverer than them is disrespecting the psychological profession.@schuga @nathandyer we're seeing several age verification things being applied in various places.
One of the latest ones was this:
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@nathandyer
I'm not sure about the point of the post.
1. anecdotal evidence is not a solid back up for an argument.
2. I don't think anybody is blocking young people from tinkering at home?
3. Putting hurdles in the way adds motivation to learn or find creative ways how to circumvent them.
4. Big corporations have teams of psychologists convincing people to spend time on their platforms. The assumption that young people are cleverer than them is disrespecting the psychological profession.I'm sure the psychologists (and you) can work it out in therapy
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Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.
We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.
Swartz's bandwidth put him in the ether among the digital dragons and not beneath, even at thirteen.
Average kids can surely not compete against digital manipulation any better today.
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Swartz's bandwidth put him in the ether among the digital dragons and not beneath, even at thirteen.
Average kids can surely not compete against digital manipulation any better today.
Which is to say, another kid of Swartz's ability will find a way to be there, wherever there might be, creatively.
Machine learning for profit may have outpaced average kids' defensive skills for good, and most adults soon, too.
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Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.
We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.
Somebody will take Aaron as an example for the opposite: "well, if he hadn't had access as a kid, he'd still ne alive." /s
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I'm sure the psychologists (and you) can work it out in therapy
I don't know why you turn a conversation about an interesting topic into a personal thing.
Are you trying to demonstrate why kids should stay off social media?
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Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.
We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.
@nathandyer this
️ for so many people I know, online communities in the late 90s / early 00s were a way to find your people and learn so many different things.Maybe instead of shutting kids out, we should make the people at the top of the food chain accountable for their fuck ups in creating tooling and platforms that are addictive ON PURPOSE, where misinformation & abuse are rampant.
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@nathandyer
I'm not sure about the point of the post.
1. anecdotal evidence is not a solid back up for an argument.
2. I don't think anybody is blocking young people from tinkering at home?
3. Putting hurdles in the way adds motivation to learn or find creative ways how to circumvent them.
4. Big corporations have teams of psychologists convincing people to spend time on their platforms. The assumption that young people are cleverer than them is disrespecting the psychological profession.@schuga @nathandyer why not regulate corporations instead of kids/teens' (and others) freedom then ?
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I'm sure the psychologists (and you) can work it out in therapy
@mayadev why the passive-aggressive remark?
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Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.
We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.
@nathandyer b-but what if they see a naked person on the internet?! they need to be protected!!?!?!!!!?!! /s -
Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.
We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.
@nathandyer Also RIP Aaron Swartz
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Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.
We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.
Qp @nathandyer y'a que moi qui suis gênée par ce pouet.
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@nathandyer
And especially we shouldn't be charging them with felonies for trivial shit.
@brouhaha @nathandyer Why couldn't he have been an upstanding citizen like his classmate Sam Altman who has never stolen anything ever.
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Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.
We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.
@nathandyer but what if they use their skills to advocate for youth rights? or find community that affirms them when everyone IRL is hostile toward them? or make me jealous because my environment didn't let me do cool stuff at that age? you ever thought of that? -
Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.
We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.
I know NOT ONE PERSON agrees with me but
AS hacked JSTOR using MIT's library
MIT told him to stop
He did it a second time, causing JSTOR to block access to all of MIT
he was escorted off campus and told not to come back
but cause he was a rich white kid, no cops
He did it a 3rd time and finally MIT called the copsAS was extremely destructive as at the time digitization was very $ and JSTOR was doing good work
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@nathandyer
I'm not sure about the point of the post.
1. anecdotal evidence is not a solid back up for an argument.
2. I don't think anybody is blocking young people from tinkering at home?
3. Putting hurdles in the way adds motivation to learn or find creative ways how to circumvent them.
4. Big corporations have teams of psychologists convincing people to spend time on their platforms. The assumption that young people are cleverer than them is disrespecting the psychological profession.“3. Putting hurdles in the way adds motivation to learn or find creative ways how to circumvent them.”
Great. Then I pray that someone will come into your life and neighbourhood and start putting up meaningless hurdles so that you too can be motivated to learn and be creative.
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Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.
We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.
@nathandyer If only Aaron Swartz had had the chance to become a well-rounded adult instead of being hounded to suicide. He would probably be a great mentor now.
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@nathandyer
I agree that we should allow kids access to technology.But Aaron Schwartz of all people never got to grow into a "well-rounded adult" since he killed himself at 26. That's a rather unfortunate choice of words for that particular example.
@rlcw@ecoevo.social @nathandyer@hachyderm.io He did not die because of access to technology, he was killed by those restricting access to their "intellectual property"
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“3. Putting hurdles in the way adds motivation to learn or find creative ways how to circumvent them.”
Great. Then I pray that someone will come into your life and neighbourhood and start putting up meaningless hurdles so that you too can be motivated to learn and be creative.
@DavidM_yeg
Don't waste your prayers on me. There are more worthy causes that deserve attention.All innovation comes from attempts to get over obstacles or to optimise processes.
We're talking about young people. It's okay to encourage them to think and problem solve rather than depriving them of a safe space to practice that skill.
