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  • nathandyer@hachyderm.ioN nathandyer@hachyderm.io

    Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.

    We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.

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    @nathandyer What young people lack in experience, they more than make up for with passion and amount of free time available to pursue those passions

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    • nathandyer@hachyderm.ioN nathandyer@hachyderm.io

      Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.

      We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.

      brouhaha@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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      @nathandyer
      And especially we shouldn't be charging them with felonies for trivial shit.
      😞

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      • nathandyer@hachyderm.ioN nathandyer@hachyderm.io

        Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.

        We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.

        griff@loma.mlG This user is from outside of this forum
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        @nathandyer

        It was a Friday and I was working when I saw the news that he had died

        I cried then and I am now as well

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        • nathandyer@hachyderm.ioN nathandyer@hachyderm.io

          Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.

          We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.

          bebadefabo@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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          @nathandyer instead, we're force-feeding them AI Slop

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          • nathandyer@hachyderm.ioN nathandyer@hachyderm.io

            Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.

            We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.

            kikokate@mstdn.partyK This user is from outside of this forum
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            @nathandyer Aye.

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            • nathandyer@hachyderm.ioN nathandyer@hachyderm.io

              Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.

              We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.

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              @nathandyer wish he was still here. 💔

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              • brouhaha@mastodon.socialB brouhaha@mastodon.social

                @nathandyer
                And especially we shouldn't be charging them with felonies for trivial shit.
                😞

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                @brouhaha @nathandyer or we should keep the crime code free from non-crimes.

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                • nathandyer@hachyderm.ioN nathandyer@hachyderm.io

                  Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.

                  We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.

                  elaterite@mastoart.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @nathandyer Absolutely! #PDFTribute

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                  • nathandyer@hachyderm.ioN nathandyer@hachyderm.io

                    Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.

                    We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.

                    rlcw@ecoevo.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @nathandyer
                    I agree that we should allow kids access to technology.

                    But Aaron Schwartz of all people never got to grow into a "well-rounded adult" since he killed himself at 26. That's a rather unfortunate choice of words for that particular example.

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                    • nathandyer@hachyderm.ioN nathandyer@hachyderm.io

                      Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.

                      We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.

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                      @nathandyer
                      I'm not sure about the point of the post.
                      1. anecdotal evidence is not a solid back up for an argument.
                      2. I don't think anybody is blocking young people from tinkering at home?
                      3. Putting hurdles in the way adds motivation to learn or find creative ways how to circumvent them.
                      4. Big corporations have teams of psychologists convincing people to spend time on their platforms. The assumption that young people are cleverer than them is disrespecting the psychological profession.

                      supermoosie@mastodon.auS thibaultmol@en.osm.townT mayadev@tilde.zoneM biyokea@toot.catB davidm_yeg@beige.partyD 5 Replies Last reply
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                      • rlcw@ecoevo.socialR rlcw@ecoevo.social

                        @nathandyer
                        I agree that we should allow kids access to technology.

                        But Aaron Schwartz of all people never got to grow into a "well-rounded adult" since he killed himself at 26. That's a rather unfortunate choice of words for that particular example.

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                        @nathandyer @rlcw I’d say rather that he was hounded to death by people who didn’t like his politics. (I knew him briefly in his RDF/RSS days, and would say he was more rounded in his views than many of the adults I know - including myself.)

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                        • rlcw@ecoevo.socialR rlcw@ecoevo.social

                          @nathandyer
                          I agree that we should allow kids access to technology.

                          But Aaron Schwartz of all people never got to grow into a "well-rounded adult" since he killed himself at 26. That's a rather unfortunate choice of words for that particular example.

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                          @rlcw @nathandyer Suicide is never the answer but Aaron Schwartz was on the hook for millions of dollars, something that would break countless well rounded adults with way more life experience than him.

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                          • schuga@mastodon.greenS schuga@mastodon.green

                            @nathandyer
                            I'm not sure about the point of the post.
                            1. anecdotal evidence is not a solid back up for an argument.
                            2. I don't think anybody is blocking young people from tinkering at home?
                            3. Putting hurdles in the way adds motivation to learn or find creative ways how to circumvent them.
                            4. Big corporations have teams of psychologists convincing people to spend time on their platforms. The assumption that young people are cleverer than them is disrespecting the psychological profession.

                            supermoosie@mastodon.auS This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @schuga @nathandyer

                            I have been using electronic social media since before it had a name. Started on bbs and chat bbs.

                            Being a quiet shy bullied kid, it opened up a whole new world. Would have loved to had what we have now as a way of communicating, learning and collaboration and creativity.

                            Happy to have the kids on social media.

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                            • schuga@mastodon.greenS schuga@mastodon.green

                              @nathandyer
                              I'm not sure about the point of the post.
                              1. anecdotal evidence is not a solid back up for an argument.
                              2. I don't think anybody is blocking young people from tinkering at home?
                              3. Putting hurdles in the way adds motivation to learn or find creative ways how to circumvent them.
                              4. Big corporations have teams of psychologists convincing people to spend time on their platforms. The assumption that young people are cleverer than them is disrespecting the psychological profession.

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                              @schuga @nathandyer we're seeing several age verification things being applied in various places.
                              One of the latest ones was this:
                              https://toot.teckids.org/@nik/116540880770634816

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                              • schuga@mastodon.greenS schuga@mastodon.green

                                @nathandyer
                                I'm not sure about the point of the post.
                                1. anecdotal evidence is not a solid back up for an argument.
                                2. I don't think anybody is blocking young people from tinkering at home?
                                3. Putting hurdles in the way adds motivation to learn or find creative ways how to circumvent them.
                                4. Big corporations have teams of psychologists convincing people to spend time on their platforms. The assumption that young people are cleverer than them is disrespecting the psychological profession.

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                                @schuga @nathandyer

                                I'm sure the psychologists (and you) can work it out in therapy

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                                • nathandyer@hachyderm.ioN nathandyer@hachyderm.io

                                  Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.

                                  We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.

                                  rexi@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @nathandyer

                                  Swartz's bandwidth put him in the ether among the digital dragons and not beneath, even at thirteen.

                                  Average kids can surely not compete against digital manipulation any better today.

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                                  • rexi@mastodon.socialR rexi@mastodon.social

                                    @nathandyer

                                    Swartz's bandwidth put him in the ether among the digital dragons and not beneath, even at thirteen.

                                    Average kids can surely not compete against digital manipulation any better today.

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                                    @nathandyer

                                    Which is to say, another kid of Swartz's ability will find a way to be there, wherever there might be, creatively.

                                    Machine learning for profit may have outpaced average kids' defensive skills for good, and most adults soon, too.

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                                    • nathandyer@hachyderm.ioN nathandyer@hachyderm.io

                                      Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.

                                      We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.

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                                      @nathandyer

                                      Somebody will take Aaron as an example for the opposite: "well, if he hadn't had access as a kid, he'd still ne alive." /s

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                                      • mayadev@tilde.zoneM mayadev@tilde.zone

                                        @schuga @nathandyer

                                        I'm sure the psychologists (and you) can work it out in therapy

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                                        @mayadev

                                        I don't know why you turn a conversation about an interesting topic into a personal thing.

                                        Are you trying to demonstrate why kids should stay off social media?

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                                        • nathandyer@hachyderm.ioN nathandyer@hachyderm.io

                                          Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.

                                          We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.

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                                          #21

                                          @nathandyer this ❤️ for so many people I know, online communities in the late 90s / early 00s were a way to find your people and learn so many different things.

                                          Maybe instead of shutting kids out, we should make the people at the top of the food chain accountable for their fuck ups in creating tooling and platforms that are addictive ON PURPOSE, where misinformation & abuse are rampant.

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