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#Deepfakes are everywhere, but #DigitalForensics investigators are fighting back:

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  • fabmusacchio@mastodon.socialF fabmusacchio@mastodon.social

    #Deepfakes are everywhere, but #DigitalForensics investigators are fighting back:

    🌍 https://scim.ag/42dMPBg

    deixis9@beige.partyD This user is from outside of this forum
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    @FabMusacchio @spellingmistakescostlives

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    • fabmusacchio@mastodon.socialF fabmusacchio@mastodon.social

      #Deepfakes are everywhere, but #DigitalForensics investigators are fighting back:

      🌍 https://scim.ag/42dMPBg

      castrillo@mastodon.onlineC This user is from outside of this forum
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      @FabMusacchio good post 👍

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      • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

        @JonnyT Thanks! For I never click on URL shorteners ... like many people here. @ilusenn @FabMusacchio

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        @NatureMC @ilusenn @FabMusacchio Definitely not a fan either but I am aware of where this one leads (or, at least, should).

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        • mathieu_@eldritch.cafeM mathieu_@eldritch.cafe

          @Mourioche
          Évidemment, ça me semble temporaire comme erreur.
          @AudeCaussarieu

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          @mathieu_ @AudeCaussarieu Je mets ma main au feu que les IA génératives savent déjà le faire, si on leur demande dans le prompt 🙄

          On va surement en arriver au même résultat que pour la presse ou la télévision : La confiance dans le média sera lié à la réputation du média et à rien d'autre...

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          • f4grx@chaos.socialF f4grx@chaos.social

            @FabMusacchio beautiful analysis even though I'm still suspicious of lens distortions.

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            @f4grx @FabMusacchio sun rays are parallel, yet they meet at a point...?

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            • deixis9@beige.partyD deixis9@beige.party

              @FabMusacchio @spellingmistakescostlives

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              @Deixis9 what's the origin of the image?

              Thanks

              I see that it's commercialised e.g. <https://lovingsquad.com/product/ai-slop-is-not-art-chatbots-are-not-your-friends-shirt/>, <https://pagtee.com/product/t-shirt/1926944-ai-slop-is-not-art-chatbots-are-not-your-friends-cyborg-painting-flames>, <https://zerevia.com/product/t-shirt/1926944-ai-slop-is-not-art-chatbots-are-not-your-friends-cyborg-painting-flames>, <https://www.spellingmistakescostlives.com/product-page/copy-of-ai-slop-is-not-art-chatbots-are-not-your-friends-sticker>, however there's no real acknowledgement of an original artist; no credit, as far as I can tell.

              @FabMusacchio @spellingmistakescostlives

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              • leah@blahaj.socialL leah@blahaj.social

                @f4grx @FabMusacchio sun rays are parallel, yet they meet at a point...?

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                @leah @f4grx @FabMusacchio they meet at such a far away point that they appear to be parallel

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                • microblogc@neopaquita.esM microblogc@neopaquita.es

                  @FabMusacchio So if I want to commit a murder, I have years to prepare it and I know the place will be surveilled with cameras, I should pave it with slightly non-parallell tiles, to get a plausible deniability.

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                  @microblogc @FabMusacchio Forced perspective is your friend: "The Potemkin Stairs in Odesa extend for 142 metres, but give the illusion of greater depth since the stairs are wider at the bottom than at the top."

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                  • ncrazed@fd00.spaceN ncrazed@fd00.space

                    @leah @f4grx @FabMusacchio they meet at such a far away point that they appear to be parallel

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                    @nCrazed @f4grx @FabMusacchio But this is irrelevant for the technique described? It would work with a non-parallel spot lamp just as well?

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                    • leah@blahaj.socialL leah@blahaj.social

                      @nCrazed @f4grx @FabMusacchio But this is irrelevant for the technique described? It would work with a non-parallel spot lamp just as well?

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                      @leah @f4grx @FabMusacchio yeah, I think that's a fair criticism 🤔

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                      • ncrazed@fd00.spaceN ncrazed@fd00.space

                        @leah @f4grx @FabMusacchio yeah, I think that's a fair criticism 🤔

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                        @nCrazed @leah @f4grx @FabMusacchio Lines from a shadow through the object casting it meet at the light source. Sunlight being virtually parallel is irrelevant. If the light source isn't point-like, you get blurry shadows.

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                        • fuzzy@beige.partyF fuzzy@beige.party

                          @Deixis9 what's the origin of the image?

                          Thanks

                          I see that it's commercialised e.g. <https://lovingsquad.com/product/ai-slop-is-not-art-chatbots-are-not-your-friends-shirt/>, <https://pagtee.com/product/t-shirt/1926944-ai-slop-is-not-art-chatbots-are-not-your-friends-cyborg-painting-flames>, <https://zerevia.com/product/t-shirt/1926944-ai-slop-is-not-art-chatbots-are-not-your-friends-cyborg-painting-flames>, <https://www.spellingmistakescostlives.com/product-page/copy-of-ai-slop-is-not-art-chatbots-are-not-your-friends-sticker>, however there's no real acknowledgement of an original artist; no credit, as far as I can tell.

                          @FabMusacchio @spellingmistakescostlives

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                          @fuzzy @FabMusacchio @spellingmistakescostlives

                          https://www.spellingmistakescostlives.com/drawings

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                          • mansr@society.oftrolls.comM mansr@society.oftrolls.com

                            @nCrazed @leah @f4grx @FabMusacchio Lines from a shadow through the object casting it meet at the light source. Sunlight being virtually parallel is irrelevant. If the light source isn't point-like, you get blurry shadows.

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                            @nCrazed @leah @f4grx @FabMusacchio If the light source is behind the image plane, these lines will of course converge at an opposite point. The important part is that they all converge. If they intersect every which way, something funny is going on.

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                            • fabmusacchio@mastodon.socialF fabmusacchio@mastodon.social

                              #Deepfakes are everywhere, but #DigitalForensics investigators are fighting back:

                              🌍 https://scim.ag/42dMPBg

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                              @FabMusacchio Great to have a sure way to prove things, but honestly, just zoom in on details see if they're coherent? In most if not any genai image? Not even talking about the dinausore/crocodile one because if you're under 50 you could tell in one blink

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                              • fabmusacchio@mastodon.socialF fabmusacchio@mastodon.social

                                #Deepfakes are everywhere, but #DigitalForensics investigators are fighting back:

                                🌍 https://scim.ag/42dMPBg

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                                @FabMusacchio Also the soldiers’ heads in the first picture are nearly identical and their tags are gibberish.

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                                • mansr@society.oftrolls.comM mansr@society.oftrolls.com

                                  @nCrazed @leah @f4grx @FabMusacchio If the light source is behind the image plane, these lines will of course converge at an opposite point. The important part is that they all converge. If they intersect every which way, something funny is going on.

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                                  @mansr @nCrazed @leah @FabMusacchio yep I agree with that remark, modulo lens distortions. I would love to see the actual convergence on a known good image, for comparison sake.

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                                  • f4grx@chaos.socialF f4grx@chaos.social

                                    @mansr @nCrazed @leah @FabMusacchio yep I agree with that remark, modulo lens distortions. I would love to see the actual convergence on a known good image, for comparison sake.

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                                    @f4grx @mansr @nCrazed @FabMusacchio I tried it on two random hallway images from Kagi Search and it worked great. I think most lens distortions are nonlinear, so the problem is rather that the lines are not straight than that they won't meet.

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                                    • leah@blahaj.socialL leah@blahaj.social

                                      @f4grx @mansr @nCrazed @FabMusacchio I tried it on two random hallway images from Kagi Search and it worked great. I think most lens distortions are nonlinear, so the problem is rather that the lines are not straight than that they won't meet.

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                                      @leah @mansr @nCrazed @FabMusacchio How do you model the curvatures of these non straight lines so you can be sure that they all meet at the same point? 🤔

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                                      • f4grx@chaos.socialF f4grx@chaos.social

                                        @leah @mansr @nCrazed @FabMusacchio How do you model the curvatures of these non straight lines so you can be sure that they all meet at the same point? 🤔

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                                        @f4grx @mansr @nCrazed @FabMusacchio I didn't need to, since the lines were straight I assumed lens correction was already done or not necessary.

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                                        • fabmusacchio@mastodon.socialF fabmusacchio@mastodon.social

                                          #Deepfakes are everywhere, but #DigitalForensics investigators are fighting back:

                                          🌍 https://scim.ag/42dMPBg

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                                          @FabMusacchio @Jenetrix I feel like I'm in a Realism 101 illustration class

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