#ThoughtProvoker 🤔
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I have been working on a "move slowly and build things" basis for some time now -- arguably to excess [insert rant here]
Unfortunately, as you noted, Life keeps going at its own breakneck pace regardless of whether I'm interested in breaking any necks
I do appreciate a good deep-dive, though, and hopefully I'll have time to absorb more of it
@Profpatsch
cc: @erynThank you! I am delighted to hear that. An *intent* in itself is already valuable. And even more so, being *intentional* in what you do. Both of these have emergent properties. So you are *already* practicing #SX by sending this toot, it constitutes your 2 cents. And hence, truly, you may call yourself Social experience designer, if that were your dream job like it is mine.
This is how weird and wonderful emergence is. At least that is my *expectation*. I am also merely practicing, ha ha
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The fun of #SX is that you don't have to learn it, nor do you have to get it taught to you.
Like chess you should #experience it to gain #experience, and you do that by meeting other #people and #practice it. By #SocialExperience with your friends and peers in the chess world #SocialGraph. Weaving #SocialFabric where you can be playful, creative and do experiments, engage in #challenges. This keeps one intrinsically #motivated to stay into the #game. Learn more. Enter a virtuous
circle of rewarding #exercises. And perhaps one day. Suddenly and unexpected, #opportunity finds you to play against #MagnusCarlsen. And WIN!
The important thing is: You need not have any *expectation* for that. And most people shouldn't, as it is boils down to 'hanging yourself up to a Vision' if you simply don't possess the 'chess genius gene'. Most people don't.
However you can still #Dream about beating Magnus one day to have fun at every level of your progression path to mastery.
Emergence. So fascinating, that. I came to some deep insight re: commons organization, a concept I call the Paradox of (commons based) Emergence. Hope to post a forum topic on it soon.
I told so often on the channels that I shouldn't explain so much about SX concepts. That it was a failure condition. And it is. It was also my method to reiterate to myself for testing and improving them against various statements. And to jog my bad memory.
#SX #ThoughtExperiment. #Emergence needs 2 ingredients: Simple building blocks and a set of rules. What if you were the first person to invent chess? For chess you can write them down in a heartbeat. Then though, this first designer / inventor of the game, who thinks it through..
Can they imagine at that time Magnus Carlson level complexity?
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Emergence. So fascinating, that. I came to some deep insight re: commons organization, a concept I call the Paradox of (commons based) Emergence. Hope to post a forum topic on it soon.
I told so often on the channels that I shouldn't explain so much about SX concepts. That it was a failure condition. And it is. It was also my method to reiterate to myself for testing and improving them against various statements. And to jog my bad memory.
#SX #ThoughtExperiment. #Emergence needs 2 ingredients: Simple building blocks and a set of rules. What if you were the first person to invent chess? For chess you can write them down in a heartbeat. Then though, this first designer / inventor of the game, who thinks it through..
Can they imagine at that time Magnus Carlson level complexity?
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There exist no other chess players yet. Can they train with others? Will they understand the excitement of a deep philosophical session where the inventor got an inkling of Magnus Carlsen level genius? Probably not.
Today there are libraries full of chess books. But not then. Should the inventor write all that? He can't. The only way to 'spread' chess about, is for others to experience it with others: social experience. Learn by doing.
My mistake was that I was encouraging people into *doing*, but my continuous explanation seemed to ask "join me on something very complex and vague". That complex and vague being the reverse engineering of complex social dynamics that exist in the #commons, back to simple building blocks and rules. What an emergent designer does. But not at all what you need to know to participate in SX solutions. Everyone does their own thing.
The paradox: Concrete SX practice steers intangible emergent value creation, but what you see at a time is just your 2 cents.
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#fediverse is at an inflection point.
Either revival and course correction to the original #ActivityPub protocol power and promise. With the potential to #ReimagineSocial.
Or keep current track with fedi-we-have. Be content with a few great and reasonably popular app platforms. Surely some more to come. But with a messy wire protocol that stifles #innovation and isn't future-proof.
#AskFedi do you dare to dream?
This special thought provoker is based on personal reflection and 8 years of #commoning. Deliberately exposed to the inherent unsustainability of the #FOSS movement. Burning privilege by spending my savings.
Goal: 1st-hand experience to learn the #social dynamics that make a #commons tick.
I invite you to a #brainstorm & #ideation ride. To ponder how #fedi can organically evolve. Become unbeatable by #hypercapitalism.
Grassroots fediverse evolution
Social dynamics in the grassroots fediverse ecosystem and laisséz-faire practices led to divergence from power and promise of the ActivityPub protocol. Grassroots standards and the ActivityPub API initiative can get us back on track.
Social coding commons (coding.social)
But in an age of #AI who still reads long handcrafted #blogs? Fill in the #poll.
@smallcircles That's a really strong article, solid all the way through. I'm glad you acknowledge the small web as a plausible alternative to the fediverse.
I'm strongly of the opinion myself that whenever humanity tries to design something it never ends well, but that organic creation is the only way forward (compare new towns to very old ones which have character and community), and also that protocols really need to be as simple as possible.
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@smallcircles That's a really strong article, solid all the way through. I'm glad you acknowledge the small web as a plausible alternative to the fediverse.
I'm strongly of the opinion myself that whenever humanity tries to design something it never ends well, but that organic creation is the only way forward (compare new towns to very old ones which have character and community), and also that protocols really need to be as simple as possible.
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They should follow the UNIX philosophy of doing one thing well, and then the stack functions harmoniously to provide high-level functionality. Thus I think that ActivityPub is utter pants, including the whole W3C management of it.
I'll have more to say on my own blog in a couple of weeks, when I've worked some things out. I'll keep you posted, and look forward to reading other comments on your piece here
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I have been working on a "move slowly and build things" basis for some time now -- arguably to excess [insert rant here]
Unfortunately, as you noted, Life keeps going at its own breakneck pace regardless of whether I'm interested in breaking any necks
I do appreciate a good deep-dive, though, and hopefully I'll have time to absorb more of it
@Profpatsch
cc: @eryn@woozle @smallcircles @Profpatsch @eryn "I have been working on a "move slowly and build things" basis for some time now..."
This is absolutely fine. Anybody who thinks a new order of independents is going to emerge in five years is delusional: first, we can all only do so much in a given time, and second we have to wait for each other to come up with successive evolutionary steps.
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@woozle the article was described as "fairly long thinkpiece" by @Profpatsch which with 53 min. read time is an understatement of "fairly long" where it comes to typical online content.
Thank you for taking the time and ponder things! I think that is the most important. We are all so pragmatic and want to have quick results. And our society is asking to be hurried. Everything is urgent. All is in peril. But giving in to that urge is a trap, that makes us weaker as mankind to face our wickedest problems.
Besides "Hammock driven development" mentioned in the article, #Emergence is key. And emergence is WEIRD and fascinating. I just tooted about it in..
🫧 socialcoding.. (@smallcircles@social.coop)
Attached: 2 images #ThoughtProvoker :blobhyperthink: Back to promise and power of AP? Sustainable #evolution, hmm, yes. #Emergence, you say? Right, umm.. 🤷 #Fediverse-we-have vs. #ActivityPub, which is more powerful and #versatile ? Lego Sets vs. Lego Blocks, which is more powerful and versatile? View the video mentioned in the article about Emergent Complexity.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HqUYpGQIfs Can you influence and steer emergence and evolution? Some people like me, with Social experience design think so. Another person is Richard D. Bartlett known from #Loomio who also is behind #Microsolidarity, which I was reminded of the other day. Have a look for yourself.. https://www.microsolidarity.cc #SX #SocialCoding #SocialWeb
social.coop (social.coop)
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I used #SolidProject just to contrast a totally opposite approach to how fedi evolves: Fully formal #OpenStandards driven, but with risk to evolve into a 'standards maze' without ecosystem support.
#Mastodon Foundation is a new development. Hopefully they care beyond the app.
@smallcircles @woozle @Profpatsch The read-time according to Firefox's read mode thingy is 60-76 minutes.
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@smallcircles @woozle @Profpatsch The read-time according to Firefox's read mode thingy is 60-76 minutes.
@khleedril @woozle @Profpatsch
Oh wow, that is even more whopping! The Astro Starlight blog plugin must have optimism bias, or built in read-me encouragement balance correction.
I was delighted to hear your feedback on the other posts, thank you! I will reply in due time on them.
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@woozle @smallcircles @Profpatsch @eryn "I have been working on a "move slowly and build things" basis for some time now..."
This is absolutely fine. Anybody who thinks a new order of independents is going to emerge in five years is delusional: first, we can all only do so much in a given time, and second we have to wait for each other to come up with successive evolutionary steps.
@khleedril @woozle @Profpatsch @eryn
Totally! This is even part of core principles of #SX: Mindfulness.A movement is timeless and can only progress by participants adding their 2 cts, which accrue over time. Or it pauses, waiting for input. The wicked solution is timeless in a similar way, waiting its lifecycle stage where it solves the wicked problem and sustainably satisfies all stakeholders' evolving needs.
Urgency is provided by individuals. However, if some group or movement has the attitude "Stop the talking, we MUST act NOW and with URGENCY" they have a humongous failure condition right there.
Instead there is prioritised, planned urgency and after breakdown into manageable chunks. It becomes simple then. You talk when you need to talk, and you act when you need to act.
It sounds like a platitude, and perhaps it is in how obvious it is. But if you don't act according to the wisdom of the platitude, perhaps it bears repeating it? Platitudes are a form of universal truths.
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@khleedril @woozle @Profpatsch @eryn
Totally! This is even part of core principles of #SX: Mindfulness.A movement is timeless and can only progress by participants adding their 2 cts, which accrue over time. Or it pauses, waiting for input. The wicked solution is timeless in a similar way, waiting its lifecycle stage where it solves the wicked problem and sustainably satisfies all stakeholders' evolving needs.
Urgency is provided by individuals. However, if some group or movement has the attitude "Stop the talking, we MUST act NOW and with URGENCY" they have a humongous failure condition right there.
Instead there is prioritised, planned urgency and after breakdown into manageable chunks. It becomes simple then. You talk when you need to talk, and you act when you need to act.
It sounds like a platitude, and perhaps it is in how obvious it is. But if you don't act according to the wisdom of the platitude, perhaps it bears repeating it? Platitudes are a form of universal truths.
I just wish being patient didn't require so much patience
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I just wish being patient didn't require so much patience
@woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn
Aha, good one, I love it! Since I'm still in nerdsniped state on this whole emergence thing, let me try to come up with yet another platitude then... umm
......Aww, got it. Maybe its garbage, platitudal overload, but at least it sounds deep.
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@woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn
Aha, good one, I love it! Since I'm still in nerdsniped state on this whole emergence thing, let me try to come up with yet another platitude then... umm
......Aww, got it. Maybe its garbage, platitudal overload, but at least it sounds deep.
@smallcircles @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn I don't get it
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@smallcircles @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn I don't get it
@saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn
You are right. It is flawed. Happens on the quick-toot modern timeline of our time
But this is also emergent design: experiment, test, improve in short cycles.
Another attempt at platitude then. Then it is up to others to counter-platitude me again
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There exist no other chess players yet. Can they train with others? Will they understand the excitement of a deep philosophical session where the inventor got an inkling of Magnus Carlsen level genius? Probably not.
Today there are libraries full of chess books. But not then. Should the inventor write all that? He can't. The only way to 'spread' chess about, is for others to experience it with others: social experience. Learn by doing.
My mistake was that I was encouraging people into *doing*, but my continuous explanation seemed to ask "join me on something very complex and vague". That complex and vague being the reverse engineering of complex social dynamics that exist in the #commons, back to simple building blocks and rules. What an emergent designer does. But not at all what you need to know to participate in SX solutions. Everyone does their own thing.
The paradox: Concrete SX practice steers intangible emergent value creation, but what you see at a time is just your 2 cents.
#ParadoxOfEmergence. The Paradox of Emergence entails that the more intricate an #EmergentDesign gets, the more complex #WickedProblems it can potentially solve.
However, all the potential power remains dormant, ethereal and invisible, especially to people other than the designer. It can only be properly perceived and valued, either with deep attention and focus on the emergent dynamics of the design. Or by dilligent practice in the field.
A design may represent a beautiful emergent Golden Dragon of Problem Solving. Waiting in its lair under Wicked Problem mountain for when its time to breathe its Fires of Solution onto mankind. Ready to soar. Yet what most other people and even at times the designer themself perceive is merely a tiny mouse. Thus they are unwilling to add their 2 cents to a Potential they cannot grasp. Unable to see how their support adds to a sizable Dragon's Hoard that has already emerged, lending power to the dragon so it may be unleashed.
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@saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn
You are right. It is flawed. Happens on the quick-toot modern timeline of our time
But this is also emergent design: experiment, test, improve in short cycles.
Another attempt at platitude then. Then it is up to others to counter-platitude me again
I see a pin-back button in the works.
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I see a pin-back button in the works.
May I?@Algot @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn
You mean a quote post? Sure, by all means
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@Algot @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn
You mean a quote post? Sure, by all means
I have a button-making setup. I'd love to make a physical button.
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@Algot @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn
You mean a quote post? Sure, by all means
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@Algot @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn
Oh, that is lovely. You can use it public domain CC0 as a quote by me, Arnold Schrijver, assuming that no one before me has formulated it already.
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@Algot @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn
Oh, that is lovely. You can use it public domain CC0 as a quote by me, Arnold Schrijver, assuming that no one before me has formulated it already.
@Algot @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn
I'm pondering now if I should make "SX platitude" a SX artifact. I likely will.
You see, there's a concept of "wisdom tiles" in SX, indicating universal truths that all (or most) people agree on, like "think, before you act". The tile I generated represents a Delft-blue "wisdom tile" and these things used to hang in the toilet in our grandparents house when we were young. You typically gifted them on birthdays of your Grandma. They are now kinda disappearing. It is old-fashioned.
The underlying innercircles simple life philosophy that underpins SX goes from the assumption that "simple solutions still exist". And that in terms of wisdom, knowledge, common sense, and life experience *everything* we need to solve the wicked solutions of our time, is already out there. It is the coordinated application in practice during prolonged times where we drop the ball.
Wisdom is relative, in the eye of the beholder. "Wisdom tile" best avoided.
