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  • grammargirl@zirk.usG grammargirl@zirk.us

    Would you use "hopefully" like this in a sentence:

    Hopefully, the treaty will be ratified.

    (I'm going to compare how people feel about this sentence today to an older survey that used the same sentence.)

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    @grammargirl Now you have me analyzing the sentence and questioning my answer, everything.

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    • grammargirl@zirk.usG grammargirl@zirk.us

      Would you use "hopefully" like this in a sentence:

      Hopefully, the treaty will be ratified.

      (I'm going to compare how people feel about this sentence today to an older survey that used the same sentence.)

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      #5

      @grammargirl I replied Yes. I "would" as in I wouldn't refuse. I'd prefer to say, "The treaty will be ratified hopefully."

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      • grammargirl@zirk.usG grammargirl@zirk.us

        Would you use "hopefully" like this in a sentence:

        Hopefully, the treaty will be ratified.

        (I'm going to compare how people feel about this sentence today to an older survey that used the same sentence.)

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        #6

        @grammargirl I would, but I also know it's wrong.

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        • grammargirl@zirk.usG grammargirl@zirk.us

          Would you use "hopefully" like this in a sentence:

          Hopefully, the treaty will be ratified.

          (I'm going to compare how people feel about this sentence today to an older survey that used the same sentence.)

          jaymerryfield@mstdn.caJ This user is from outside of this forum
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          #7

          @grammargirl depending on the context, I would think this is a fair usage of the word hopefully, though there's certainly context missing. 🙂

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          • mewsleah@meow.socialM mewsleah@meow.social

            @grammargirl not sure i'd put a comma there, but otherwise that's how i'd prefer to write that

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            @grammargirl (when i say i'm not sure, i'm not being picky - i really do mean sometimes i do and sometimes i don't and i don't quite know why either way)

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            • ramsey@phpc.socialR ramsey@phpc.social

              @grammargirl I answered “yes,” but I hate it.

              In less conversational writing, I’d probably reword it to say “I hope the treaty will be ratified” because saying “I am hopeful the treaty will be ratified” just makes you sound like an awkward pedant. 😉

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              @grammargirl Also, this has lived rent free in my head for 27 years.

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              • ramsey@phpc.socialR ramsey@phpc.social

                @grammargirl I answered “yes,” but I hate it.

                In less conversational writing, I’d probably reword it to say “I hope the treaty will be ratified” because saying “I am hopeful the treaty will be ratified” just makes you sound like an awkward pedant. 😉

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                @ramsey @grammargirl As a general rule I try to avoid unnecessary commas in formal writing. But my issue here is not with the comma, but with the word "hopefully" which implies lack of confidence in the negotiations.

                Regardless of the context, I'd probably say we *expect* the treaty to be ratified.

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                • apostateenglishman@mastodon.worldA apostateenglishman@mastodon.world

                  @ramsey @grammargirl As a general rule I try to avoid unnecessary commas in formal writing. But my issue here is not with the comma, but with the word "hopefully" which implies lack of confidence in the negotiations.

                  Regardless of the context, I'd probably say we *expect* the treaty to be ratified.

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                  @ApostateEnglishman @grammargirl I took it to be more about the use of the adverb and less about the content of the statement, but you’re right—it does give the impression that one is not very confident in the outcome.

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                  • grammargirl@zirk.usG grammargirl@zirk.us

                    Would you use "hopefully" like this in a sentence:

                    Hopefully, the treaty will be ratified.

                    (I'm going to compare how people feel about this sentence today to an older survey that used the same sentence.)

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                    @grammargirl Yes but I question the comma. When I say it out loud there’s no pause there.

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                    • grammargirl@zirk.usG grammargirl@zirk.us

                      Would you use "hopefully" like this in a sentence:

                      Hopefully, the treaty will be ratified.

                      (I'm going to compare how people feel about this sentence today to an older survey that used the same sentence.)

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                      #13

                      @grammargirl Even though I know it's wrong, I'm going to use it, because it sounds a lot better than something like "It is to be hoped that the treaty will be ratified."

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                      • grammargirl@zirk.usG grammargirl@zirk.us

                        Would you use "hopefully" like this in a sentence:

                        Hopefully, the treaty will be ratified.

                        (I'm going to compare how people feel about this sentence today to an older survey that used the same sentence.)

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                        @grammargirl Depending on the context, I would likely state it as, "I hope the treaty will be ratified."

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                        • grammargirl@zirk.usG grammargirl@zirk.us

                          Would you use "hopefully" like this in a sentence:

                          Hopefully, the treaty will be ratified.

                          (I'm going to compare how people feel about this sentence today to an older survey that used the same sentence.)

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                          @grammargirl I’d avoid it because of the risk of misreading.

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                          • grammargirl@zirk.usG grammargirl@zirk.us

                            Would you use "hopefully" like this in a sentence:

                            Hopefully, the treaty will be ratified.

                            (I'm going to compare how people feel about this sentence today to an older survey that used the same sentence.)

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                            @grammargirl if we mean it will be signed in a hopeful manner than “The treaty will be signed with feelings of great hope for … “ would have more impact.

                            If it’s hoped they’ll sign it, then why not say who hopes it?

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                            • grammargirl@zirk.usG grammargirl@zirk.us

                              Would you use "hopefully" like this in a sentence:

                              Hopefully, the treaty will be ratified.

                              (I'm going to compare how people feel about this sentence today to an older survey that used the same sentence.)

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                              @grammargirl I tend to write like a speak, part of editing is "fixing" that loose narrative flow to being something people want to consume, perhaps.

                              At this point though, I'd settle for anything that is purely and solely written by flesh and blood humans.

                              It can feel like I'm constantly talking to humans via LLM middleman.

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                              • grammargirl@zirk.usG grammargirl@zirk.us

                                Would you use "hopefully" like this in a sentence:

                                Hopefully, the treaty will be ratified.

                                (I'm going to compare how people feel about this sentence today to an older survey that used the same sentence.)

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                                @grammargirl I'd use it, even though I'm pretty sure it's not right (the treaty, after all, is not hopeful).

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                                • ramsey@phpc.socialR ramsey@phpc.social

                                  @ApostateEnglishman @grammargirl I took it to be more about the use of the adverb and less about the content of the statement, but you’re right—it does give the impression that one is not very confident in the outcome.

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                                  @ramsey @grammargirl Yeah, my creative writing was improved when I read that Stephen King almost never uses adverbs - one of the tricks behind his captivating prose style. He even said that "the road to Hell is paved with adverbs." 😆

                                  Once you get into the habit of avoiding them, writing that uses them a lot ("Especially in dialogue attribution," added Martin wearily) becomes...jarring.

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                                  • grammargirl@zirk.usG grammargirl@zirk.us

                                    Would you use "hopefully" like this in a sentence:

                                    Hopefully, the treaty will be ratified.

                                    (I'm going to compare how people feel about this sentence today to an older survey that used the same sentence.)

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                                    @grammargirl That feels like a pedantry battle no one’s fighting anymore. It felt very old fashioned to me the first time I read it (Strunk & White?) decades ago.

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                                    • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                                      @grammargirl That feels like a pedantry battle no one’s fighting anymore. It felt very old fashioned to me the first time I read it (Strunk & White?) decades ago.

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                                      @overholt @grammargirl precisely, I was raised on Strunk and White, and it has taken me a long time to undo their rote strictures. I prefer now to write as I naturally speak, which honestly still comes across as stuffy. But yes I will use “hopefully” that way.

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                                      • grammargirl@zirk.usG grammargirl@zirk.us

                                        Would you use "hopefully" like this in a sentence:

                                        Hopefully, the treaty will be ratified.

                                        (I'm going to compare how people feel about this sentence today to an older survey that used the same sentence.)

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                                        @grammargirl "The treaty will hopefully be ratified" or "the treaty will be hopefully ratified"? Best to avoid the ambiguity if the intent isn't clear from the context.

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                                        • grammargirl@zirk.usG grammargirl@zirk.us

                                          Would you use "hopefully" like this in a sentence:

                                          Hopefully, the treaty will be ratified.

                                          (I'm going to compare how people feel about this sentence today to an older survey that used the same sentence.)

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                                          @grammargirl

                                          I know of the objections to this use of hopefully but I don't care. It feels natural to me. And I've just realised that German has "hoffentlich" for this use case and does not need to say "hoffnungsvoll" - possibly a word that English lost at some point?

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