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The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

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  • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

    The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

    patcharcana@furry.engineerP This user is from outside of this forum
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    #10

    @hannah I feel like this practice is a fundamental misunderstanding of its own problem space.

    This doesn't come within three or four degrees of freedom of measuring what the advocates seem to think it measures.

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    • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

      The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

      ellenor2000@mastodon.topE This user is from outside of this forum
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      #11

      @hannah that _literally can't work_ #lang_en

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      • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

        The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

        lerxst@az.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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        #12

        @hannah Well, shit, I can make old-school Markov chainbots that will answer your poll questions that will emulate human answers too. This is literally less than useless.

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        • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

          The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

          apocheir@hachyderm.ioA This user is from outside of this forum
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          #13

          @hannah oh this is going to fuck up so many things in an election year

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          • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

            The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

            june@mspsocial.netJ This user is from outside of this forum
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            #14

            @hannah oh my GOD

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            • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

              Our innovative approach: instead of doing something, we simply do not do it. at a fraction of the cost

              mitch@hoagie.cloudM This user is from outside of this forum
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              #15

              @hannah millennials kill yet another industry! *adds a notch*

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              • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

                The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

                itsthejoker@hachyderm.ioI This user is from outside of this forum
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                #16

                @hannah what the fuck

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                • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

                  Our innovative approach: instead of doing something, we simply do not do it. at a fraction of the cost

                  elizafox@social.treehouse.systemsE This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @hannah the federal government has been doing this for decades

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                  • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

                    Our innovative approach: instead of doing something, we simply do not do it. at a fraction of the cost

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                    #18

                    @hannah obviously the model needs to be trained on a sample of typical responses from the specific population(s) to be surveyed.

                    ... so, thats it, AI something something magically gets more precision out of the same dataset, by adding simulated data? They're saying the simulated responses are more accurate than the real responses???

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                    • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

                      The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

                      shadowjonathan@tech.lgbtS This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #19

                      @hannah what the actual fuck is this

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                      • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

                        The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

                        wcbdata@vis.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #20

                        @hannah I have this same instinctive response every time I've seen reference to "synthetic data." People have been (successfully!) selling this crap for almost a decade!

                        There is no way to synthesize data that meaningfully replicates a real world investigation. Simulate volume? Sure. Test specific scenarios or fuzz inputs? Yep, I'll buy that. But there is no expositive value in synthetic data - by definition. It's synthetic! It reflects only the algorithms used to synthesize it! 🤦

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                        • shadowjonathan@tech.lgbtS shadowjonathan@tech.lgbt

                          @hannah what the actual fuck is this

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                          @ShadowJonathan @hannah

                          10/10 LLMs think that this is a tremendous idea.

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                          • unlofl@mstdn.socialU unlofl@mstdn.social

                            @hannah obviously the model needs to be trained on a sample of typical responses from the specific population(s) to be surveyed.

                            ... so, thats it, AI something something magically gets more precision out of the same dataset, by adding simulated data? They're saying the simulated responses are more accurate than the real responses???

                            unlofl@mstdn.socialU This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #22

                            @hannah Wait, I've got a better idea that will still cut their polling costs in half: we survey people but with half the standard sample size, then we run it all through a photo copier and tabulate the results. We'll get the normal sample size and accuracy!

                            Also, copy machines use a lot less power than AI, its win-win!

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                            • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

                              The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

                              unlikelylass@mspsocial.netU This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #23

                              @hannah "we're going to make up numbers now instead of polling" is a hell of A Choice ™️

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                              • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

                                The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

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                                #24

                                @hannah hello? I’d like to return my psychology degree for a full refund. I guess I don’t need all that statistics and test theory and construction any more. I was fun while it lasted though. (It wasn’t.) /s

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                                • foobarsoft@mastodon.socialF foobarsoft@mastodon.social

                                  @hannah 🤦‍♂️ They can’t possibly be that dumb can they?

                                  (Yes I know)

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                                  #25

                                  @foobarsoft @hannah I bet they are hip deep in "digital twin" kool-aid.

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                                  • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

                                    The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

                                    paul_ipv6@infosec.exchangeP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #26

                                    @hannah

                                    "we don't need to get actual data to get an accurate average. we'll just average up all the already averaged data. it will be just as good."

                                    narrator: "someone flunked their stats 101 course..."

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                                    • andygates@mastodon.socialA andygates@mastodon.social

                                      @foobarsoft @hannah I bet they are hip deep in "digital twin" kool-aid.

                                      hannah@posts.rat.picturesH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @andygates @foobarsoft bingo, those are mentioned later in the article

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                                      • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

                                        The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

                                        earthshine@masto.hackers.townE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @hannah this truly is the death of all information integrity everywhere.

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                                        • hannah@posts.rat.picturesH hannah@posts.rat.pictures

                                          The part of me that used to work for a survey research nonprofit is screaming into a pillow

                                          klara@wandering.shopK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          @hannah Aaaaaaah.

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