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[deberupts@mastodon.social]

@cmconseils California has been aggressively expanding the use of "solar canopies" or "solar carports" to cover car parks for a number of years. California is also pioneering a dual-purpose strategy to stretch its water supply. By building solar canopies over major irrigation networks—such as the federally backed Project Nexus in the Central Valley farming communities. #Agrivoltaics

[fahrni@curmudgeon.cafe]

@DebErupts @cmconseils YES! I thought it was clever the first time I saw one at a school. Dual purpose! Provides shade for the cars -- the San Joaquin Valley of California is about as hot as the Sun in the summer -- and provides electricity! Win-win! 🥳

[kevinashworth@mastodon.social]

@cmconseils
Yes!
Also this: https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/solar-panel-covered-canals-have-their-day-sun-california

[baloouriza@social.tulsa.ok.us]

@cmconseils These go great over cycleways, particularly in sun-belt cities with long dedicated bike highways. Like Tulsa.

Basically I'm tilting at the ether for Tulsa to cover the crosstown cycleways in solar panels so they're not such a gruelling slog when you do need to use most of their length

[jollyrogue@social.tulsa.ok.us]

@BalooUriza Tulsa launched Ideas for Change after Tulsa Decides already did the thing. Your guess is as good as mine if anything will happen with the proposals. First guess, it’s a convenient place to punt people to so City Hall doesn’t have to do anything, like change.org in general.

Ideas for Change in Tulsa

Share ideas for change in your community, and vote on the ideas of others

Ideas for Change (www.ideasforchange.org)

Tulsa Decides

A participatory budgeting pilot. It's your money, you decide.

TulsaDecides (tulsadecides.org)

[pomegranate_stew@kind.social]

@fahrni @DebErupts @cmconseils
And then you get the whiners here that complain that they took out 5 parking spaces to put them in over one of the universities in their employee lot.

Oh no! Carpool? Take the bus? The bus line goes right past the school.

E: I swear I speak English. I have no idea what’s going on in the first paragraph. ‍️

[fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk]

@reiddragon @cmconseils no, it works on fields too, depending on what you're growing. it can increase yields (and sheep and pigs benefit from the shade)

[reiddragon@fedi.catto.garden]

@fishidwardrobe @cmconseils You'll need to explain how it would increase yields

[fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk]

@reiddragon @cmconseils i really don't. i'm not the one making the claim, i'm just reporting that others have made it credibly.

but, here you go, someone else responding linked to two articles. did you see that?

Sundew (@sundew@beige.party)

@cmconseils@mastodon.social I'm all for covering car parks with solar panels, but in some cases mixing solar with crops seems to actually _help_ crop yields! eg: https://www.euro-inox.org/solar-powered-smart-farming-how-agrivoltaics-boost-crop-yields/ https://commongoodnews.org/inspiring/highlight-of-the-week-significant-good-news/

beige.party (beige.party)

[reiddragon@fedi.catto.garden]

@fishidwardrobe @cmconseils

> i really don't. i'm not the one making the claim, i'm just reporting that others have made it credibly.

The way you made the initial claim didn't state "someone else made this claim and I'm echoing that, make of that what you will". You stated it as fact so yes, you *do* need to explain it if it's unclear to your interlocutor how it works.

[baloouriza@social.tulsa.ok.us]

@jollyrogue Looks like Tulsa Decides is the city website and IfC is the change.org one

[fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk]

@reiddragon @cmconseils i'm not doing your homework for you, mate. i don't owe you anything.

[reiddragon@fedi.catto.garden]

@fishidwardrobe @cmconseils maybe don't get involved in a conversation if right after you decide you don't feel like actually engaging

asshole

[jollyrogue@social.tulsa.ok.us]

@BalooUriza IfC is the official one, and it’s a branded instance of change.org.

Tulsa Decides is a citizen group unaffiliated with the city.

[fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk]

@reiddragon @cmconseils did you read the two articles? asshole?

[fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk]

@cmconseils weird how he was picking on me and ignoring all the other replies that said the same thing. oh well. blockity blockity block.

[deberupts@mastodon.social]

@pomegranate_stew @fahrni @cmconseils You can't please everyone. And if farmers want to utilize solar or lease their land for solar, it's their right. Farmers are hurting due to Trump tariffs and policies.

[subma@mastodon.social]

@cmconseils Et bien disons que les voitures sont plus présentes dans les villes que dans les campagnes... Et qu'avec l'augmentation du nombre de voitures électriques il est peut être plus judicieux de créer de l'électricité au moment où les voitures sont stationnées, pour permettre la recharge. Directement du producteur au consommateur, en générant moins de câbles et de structures d'acheminement...

[count_01@mastodon.social]

@cmconseils And our waterways! (at least the smaller ones; the Mississippi or Thames might be a heavier lift than the benefits warrant)

[smolbrain@floofy.tech]

@cmconseils this is the kind of thing I hate so much... not that its wrong. Yes cover our car parks. Better something than nothing. But like... cover our roofs maybe. Delete cars. Make walkable cities with good public transportation that uses underground tunnels to avoid asphalt heat soaking at all, increase transport efficiency and allow more space for humans to spread out and enjoy our natural environment ; _ ;
Im not mad at the people who want to fix things
I just wish we were allowed (by capitalism) to dream bigger.
I wish everything wasn't so grindingly incremental.
This is not me blaming people for making realistic demands of doing anything wrong. Its just a deep sadness that we are so incredibly wounded, that its the best we can realistically ask for.