it's kinda hilarious watching bluesky users talking about how they have to stay on the site, even as it gets worse, because they can't go back to twitter!

[0x0961h@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@oblomov @eniko @foone sadly these days the choice of social network for many is almost religious kind of question, so they will see it as heresy when you say something works better and attack you anyway

it's also not hip (it doesn't look like twitter 100%) and hard to use (choosing instance requires user to have ability to think and ex-x users prefer to delegate it to billionaires who know what's best for them)

[sen@gnulinux.social]

@foone mastodon is not something you can buy at the store, so I think it evades most peoples radar.

[poilapan@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@foone I think people in general are still operating on a centralized network model and would like to use something that is more streamlined and normie-friendly. People ought to learn old-school web tech and undo years of social media conditioning.

[nicolai@babka.social]

@foone because mastodon has some very clear technical limitations (especially the every server blocks how it wants instead of I subscribe to the block lists of my choice) and issues (unified visibility!) that make it not that great for a certain type of use

[nicolai@babka.social]

@somekindofgarf @foone the problem is if you start talking about what isn’t right here, people take offense, pretend that bugs are features to them and it becomes very exhausting and socially unpleasant

[jdgeoshack@social.vivaldi.net]

@foone Go full fediverse #bluesky

[liw@toot.liw.fi]

@foone Not just bluesky users. Also everyone researching social media and harms social media use can cause.

[devourer_ita@meow.social]

@foone Yeah, in the furry fandom specifically, there was this really popular instance that a decent chunk of people were in, then there were problems, and the owner got mad at the users and shut it down suddenly, no warning

And it seems to have burned a LOT of peeps, I still see it mentioned as a "never joining Mastodon" reason to this day

[nicolai@babka.social]

@poilapan @foone the most important part is centralised discoverability. Of both, accounts and individual posts. And that does not work in practice on mastodon

[the_moep@mastodon.de]

@foone It's corporation worship.

[flammableengineering@app.wafrn.net]

@foone@digipres.club

You may be surprised to learn that very few people outside tech circles know about fedi.

[lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@foone i can think of worse things than being overlooked

[pare@kamu.social]

@PixelRobot @foone It's a bit funny because in my view that kind of projects depends less on whims of a few entities and the users are more able to help developing and running them.

More independent.

[pare@kamu.social]

@PixelRobot @foone The funny thing is many people in the US seem to value independence and "doing it myself" high but still want to depend on big corporations.

[driftini@wetdry.world]

@foone I don't really buy the "people want to be breathed down their necks by hostile ceos" theory that I've seen a lot in replies, I rather think it's just that fedi is just too complicated to get into without some dedication (not needed to get into other socials) and without guidance from a friend

fragmentation of not only instances but also software, including cases where certain software doesn't fully support things that other ones do (the most popular of those cases being vanilla mastodon not supporting reactions), does a mighty good job at holding people off I believe

and then there's the problem of fedi just not having the topics and people potential users might wanna see here (artists/friends they know...)

so in the end I think people unsatisfied with bsky just don't look at fedi because it has a reputation of being complicated/jank (which would absolutely be correct)

[driftini@wetdry.world]

@foone one of the reasons I moved to fedi in the first place was because a friend or two moved to lethallava.land years ago, so I not only had a figure of reference for guidance but also an instance recommendation, on top of having reached my breaking point with twitter

without a "burst" of motivation like that I find it hard to believe someone is just gonna hop on fedi because of mild dissatisfaction with bsky

[robinsyl@meow.social]

@foone or the conversation goes something like "I want a social media that [describes fedi]"
"Have you tried mastodon?"
"No! Mastodon is a hellhole."

Even if the person got banned from other social media

[patterfloof@meow.social]

@robinsyl @foone ah, but i's our hellhole

[f4grx@chaos.social]

@meena @foone I understand what you mean and I'm sorry if you found my remark misplaced. There are tons of different situations and in no way I am trying to generalize anything.

[f4grx@chaos.social]

@meena @foone my idea was more like, it's better to stay under the regulatory radar typical of large social media platforms and I like the fediverse for this reason. typical example: age verification issues.