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  3. it's kinda hilarious watching bluesky users talking about how they have to stay on the site, even as it gets worse, because they can't go back to twitter!

it's kinda hilarious watching bluesky users talking about how they have to stay on the site, even as it gets worse, because they can't go back to twitter!

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  • oblomov@sociale.networkO oblomov@sociale.network

    @eniko @foone I wonder if instead of actively promoting the Fediverse, simply commenting in these threads with something «I'm not worried about the BlueSky collapse, it won't affect my Mastodon use», like, making it personal instead of a recommendation for others, would be more effective.

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    @eniko @foone

    It should at least decrease the complaints. «Yeah, I'm not suggesting you come over, it's just where I'm at.»

    The antiqueer thing is weird, but in these cases I always try to remember that each of us has a very different Fedi experience, and there ARE queer-unfriendly accounts, especially on the larger instances —plus of course the usual Nazi-adjacent instances who are more than happy to roam around and harrass people “just for the fun of it”.

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    • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

      @foone mostly when I try to promote fedi there people yell at me so I stopped 😞

      One time I even had someone have a go at me because fedi is apparently anti queer? That was pretty bizarre

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      @eniko @foone it's always interesting peeking inside these island realities and finding out what people there actually believe that ensures they stay separated from larger realities

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      • ireneista@adhd.irenes.spaceI ireneista@adhd.irenes.space

        @eniko @foone it's always interesting peeking inside these island realities and finding out what people there actually believe that ensures they stay separated from larger realities

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        @eniko @foone (we're not referring to number of users, but a more metaphorical notion of size)

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        • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

          and to clarify: I'm not saying mastodon is 100% perfect or for everyone.

          Maybe some of them have tried mastodon and don't like it for whatever reason, sure!

          but my point is that they don't even mention it as a possibility.

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          @foone We're kind of like mythical goblins or elfs, if you name us, we'll come & take your children away to program gay flags on 8-bit computers.

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          • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

            it's not that they don't think mastodon is bad for whatever reason, it's that they don't think about mastodon at all

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            #39

            @foone this is so good to be transparent.

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            • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

              it's not that they don't think mastodon is bad for whatever reason, it's that they don't think about mastodon at all

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              @foone I think people, especially in the USA, want a corporate for profit structure running things and a manager they can yell at. They don't trust a community project run by volunteers without a corporation behind it. They automatically don't take it seriously. They think that's a nice hobby for nerds, but not something they can really use.

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              • oblomov@sociale.networkO oblomov@sociale.network

                @eniko @foone I wonder if instead of actively promoting the Fediverse, simply commenting in these threads with something «I'm not worried about the BlueSky collapse, it won't affect my Mastodon use», like, making it personal instead of a recommendation for others, would be more effective.

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                @oblomov @eniko @foone sadly these days the choice of social network for many is almost religious kind of question, so they will see it as heresy when you say something works better and attack you anyway

                it's also not hip (it doesn't look like twitter 100%) and hard to use (choosing instance requires user to have ability to think and ex-x users prefer to delegate it to billionaires who know what's best for them)

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                • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                  it's not that they don't think mastodon is bad for whatever reason, it's that they don't think about mastodon at all

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                  @foone mastodon is not something you can buy at the store, so I think it evades most peoples radar.

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                  • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                    it's not that they don't think mastodon is bad for whatever reason, it's that they don't think about mastodon at all

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                    @foone I think people in general are still operating on a centralized network model and would like to use something that is more streamlined and normie-friendly. People ought to learn old-school web tech and undo years of social media conditioning.

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                    • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                      I don't know why they have this huge blindspot for mastodon, but it is hilarious to see that every time they talk about the viable microblogging platforms, they will list every possibility except fediverse ones

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                      @foone because mastodon has some very clear technical limitations (especially the every server blocks how it wants instead of I subscribe to the block lists of my choice) and issues (unified visibility!) that make it not that great for a certain type of use

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                      • somekindofgarf@kind.socialS somekindofgarf@kind.social

                        @foone Worst is I've seen people start here, go "this isn't right" for reasons not disclosed, move to blue sky and complain about it disclosing *exactly* the reasons it sucks.

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                        #45

                        @somekindofgarf @foone the problem is if you start talking about what isn’t right here, people take offense, pretend that bugs are features to them and it becomes very exhausting and socially unpleasant

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                        • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                          it's kinda hilarious watching bluesky users talking about how they have to stay on the site, even as it gets worse, because they can't go back to twitter!

                          which is the only other option available

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                          #46

                          @foone Go full fediverse #bluesky

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                          • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                            and to clarify: I'm not saying mastodon is 100% perfect or for everyone.

                            Maybe some of them have tried mastodon and don't like it for whatever reason, sure!

                            but my point is that they don't even mention it as a possibility.

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                            @foone Not just bluesky users. Also everyone researching social media and harms social media use can cause.

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                            • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                              and to clarify: I'm not saying mastodon is 100% perfect or for everyone.

                              Maybe some of them have tried mastodon and don't like it for whatever reason, sure!

                              but my point is that they don't even mention it as a possibility.

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                              @foone Yeah, in the furry fandom specifically, there was this really popular instance that a decent chunk of people were in, then there were problems, and the owner got mad at the users and shut it down suddenly, no warning

                              And it seems to have burned a LOT of peeps, I still see it mentioned as a "never joining Mastodon" reason to this day

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                              • poilapan@mastodon.gamedev.placeP poilapan@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                @foone I think people in general are still operating on a centralized network model and would like to use something that is more streamlined and normie-friendly. People ought to learn old-school web tech and undo years of social media conditioning.

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                                @poilapan @foone the most important part is centralised discoverability. Of both, accounts and individual posts. And that does not work in practice on mastodon

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                                • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                                  I don't know why they have this huge blindspot for mastodon, but it is hilarious to see that every time they talk about the viable microblogging platforms, they will list every possibility except fediverse ones

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                                  @foone It's corporation worship.

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                                  • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                                    it's not that they don't think mastodon is bad for whatever reason, it's that they don't think about mastodon at all

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                                    @foone@digipres.club

                                    You may be surprised to learn that very few people outside tech circles know about fedi.

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                                    • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                                      I don't know why they have this huge blindspot for mastodon, but it is hilarious to see that every time they talk about the viable microblogging platforms, they will list every possibility except fediverse ones

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                                      @foone i can think of worse things than being overlooked

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                                      • pixelrobot@neopaquita.esP pixelrobot@neopaquita.es

                                        @foone I think people, especially in the USA, want a corporate for profit structure running things and a manager they can yell at. They don't trust a community project run by volunteers without a corporation behind it. They automatically don't take it seriously. They think that's a nice hobby for nerds, but not something they can really use.

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                                        @PixelRobot @foone It's a bit funny because in my view that kind of projects depends less on whims of a few entities and the users are more able to help developing and running them.

                                        More independent.

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                                        • pare@kamu.socialP pare@kamu.social

                                          @PixelRobot @foone It's a bit funny because in my view that kind of projects depends less on whims of a few entities and the users are more able to help developing and running them.

                                          More independent.

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                                          @PixelRobot @foone The funny thing is many people in the US seem to value independence and "doing it myself" high but still want to depend on big corporations.

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