it's kinda hilarious watching bluesky users talking about how they have to stay on the site, even as it gets worse, because they can't go back to twitter!

[rinmari@urusai.social]

@foone

tbh we just gave up trying to advocate fedi to our bluesky-main friends, I think their ignoring of our "hey you should try fedi" posts has made it clear that they do not want to hear us talk about it anymore, and would probably rather even go back to twitter and get a blue check

There's a friend who said they were going to join but they made excuses as to why they never followed through so I left them alone

[nora@blob.love]

@eniko @foone a lot of people had a bad experience with a weird server or know someone who did and generalized it sux

[nora@blob.love]

@aran @foone i think some people find it uncomfortable that there isn't a formal hierarchy of power either because they have had bad experiences with what grows in its absence or because they don't have a guide on how to behave

[somekindofgarf@kind.social]

@foone Worst is I've seen people start here, go "this isn't right" for reasons not disclosed, move to blue sky and complain about it disclosing *exactly* the reasons it sucks.

[foone@digipres.club]

and to clarify: I'm not saying mastodon is 100% perfect or for everyone.

Maybe some of them have tried mastodon and don't like it for whatever reason, sure!

but my point is that they don't even mention it as a possibility.

[foone@digipres.club]

it's not that they don't think mastodon is bad for whatever reason, it's that they don't think about mastodon at all

[oblomov@sociale.network]

@eniko @foone I wonder if instead of actively promoting the Fediverse, simply commenting in these threads with something «I'm not worried about the BlueSky collapse, it won't affect my Mastodon use», like, making it personal instead of a recommendation for others, would be more effective.

[nosirrahsec@infosec.exchange]

@foone I increasingly feel as I age that having technological and scientific knowledge is more burden than boon.

[deshipu@fosstodon.org]

@foone I think they just don't see it as a viable platform because it costs money, and doesn't make it, and with our capitalist training that's just something that shouldn't exist. If it at least was spending VC money, and promising future income. But no, we are literally running "at a loss" (if you only care for money).

[xenophora@mastodon.art]

@aran @foone

They honestly feel like if some billionaire isn’t breathing down their neck all the time, they aren’t high class anymore. lol

[oblomov@sociale.network]

@eniko @foone

It should at least decrease the complaints. «Yeah, I'm not suggesting you come over, it's just where I'm at.»

The antiqueer thing is weird, but in these cases I always try to remember that each of us has a very different Fedi experience, and there ARE queer-unfriendly accounts, especially on the larger instances —plus of course the usual Nazi-adjacent instances who are more than happy to roam around and harrass people “just for the fun of it”.

[ireneista@adhd.irenes.space]

@eniko @foone it's always interesting peeking inside these island realities and finding out what people there actually believe that ensures they stay separated from larger realities

[ireneista@adhd.irenes.space]

@eniko @foone (we're not referring to number of users, but a more metaphorical notion of size)

[mdhughes@appdot.net]

@foone We're kind of like mythical goblins or elfs, if you name us, we'll come & take your children away to program gay flags on 8-bit computers.

[f4grx@chaos.social]

@foone this is so good to be transparent.

[pixelrobot@neopaquita.es]

@foone I think people, especially in the USA, want a corporate for profit structure running things and a manager they can yell at. They don't trust a community project run by volunteers without a corporation behind it. They automatically don't take it seriously. They think that's a nice hobby for nerds, but not something they can really use.

[0x0961h@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@oblomov @eniko @foone sadly these days the choice of social network for many is almost religious kind of question, so they will see it as heresy when you say something works better and attack you anyway

it's also not hip (it doesn't look like twitter 100%) and hard to use (choosing instance requires user to have ability to think and ex-x users prefer to delegate it to billionaires who know what's best for them)

[sen@gnulinux.social]

@foone mastodon is not something you can buy at the store, so I think it evades most peoples radar.

[poilapan@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@foone I think people in general are still operating on a centralized network model and would like to use something that is more streamlined and normie-friendly. People ought to learn old-school web tech and undo years of social media conditioning.

[nicolai@babka.social]

@foone because mastodon has some very clear technical limitations (especially the every server blocks how it wants instead of I subscribe to the block lists of my choice) and issues (unified visibility!) that make it not that great for a certain type of use