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  • damonhd@mastodon.socialD damonhd@mastodon.social

    @brunogirin @clanger9 @nixCraft I have a personal pension (separate to my main one) that lets me choose between sub-funds, so I can exclude all US investments in there if I wish. Does your pension have any sort of similar scheme?

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    @brunogirin @nixCraft @DamonHD
    I can choose any fund in my pension, but if I select anything other than the default, then "I'm on my own", apparently.
    Given the opacity of many (most?) funds, I have no way of knowing what I'm investing in. Normally, I would trust the tracker to do its job, but changing the rules to benefit a single (high risk!) IPO totally breaks that trust.
    Hence the need for professional help...

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    • interpipes@thx.ggI interpipes@thx.gg

      @nixCraft have today sent an email to my pension provider about these rule changes and asking how I ensure my pension is not exposed to any nasdaq 100 index linked funds

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      There's this little Danish pension fund that may inspire them not to give you a funny look.

      reuters.com

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      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

        For SpaceX (and possible the others like OpenAI and Anthropic), stock market rules were changed recently. Since they changed the rules to force over $30 trillion in passive 401k and retirement fund money to buy SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropicat IPO valuations giving exit to big VCs and others. At the end of the day people who put or government backed pension fund put small money every month are going to pay for this mess. Such is evilness of these AI companies.

        Source https://xcancel.com/Hedgeye/status/2060435253928604065

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        @nixCraft Reducing the seasoning window means letting these obvious fraudsters cash out their private stock while the IPO issue forces the price up.

        Then it will tank, because this company is UTTERLY WORTHLESS

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        • clanger9@mastodon.onlineC clanger9@mastodon.online

          @brunogirin @nixCraft @DamonHD
          I can choose any fund in my pension, but if I select anything other than the default, then "I'm on my own", apparently.
          Given the opacity of many (most?) funds, I have no way of knowing what I'm investing in. Normally, I would trust the tracker to do its job, but changing the rules to benefit a single (high risk!) IPO totally breaks that trust.
          Hence the need for professional help...

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          @clanger9 @brunogirin @nixCraft I hear you, and I am not giving advice.

          But just see if amongst your options in your pension is a simple UK tracker fund, and if there are significant costs switching from the default to it (and back again if this issue goes away somehow).

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          • damonhd@mastodon.socialD damonhd@mastodon.social

            @clanger9 @nixCraft The simplest trackers are simple. But indeed if you do not feel confident, then get professional advice!

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            @nixCraft @DamonHD
            My current fund is apparently Aegon GrowthTkrFlexTgtPn ARC. Which is 71.85% "Non-UK", and mostly Financial & Technology. I have little idea what it's investing in 🤷‍♂️
            FFS 😖

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            • damonhd@mastodon.socialD damonhd@mastodon.social

              @clanger9 @brunogirin @nixCraft I hear you, and I am not giving advice.

              But just see if amongst your options in your pension is a simple UK tracker fund, and if there are significant costs switching from the default to it (and back again if this issue goes away somehow).

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              @brunogirin @nixCraft @DamonHD
              Yeah, that's my plan. Probably switch to non-bubble non-US / sustainable or infrastructure funds for a bit, then switch it back when all this blows over. Will see what the professionals recommend...

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              • clanger9@mastodon.onlineC clanger9@mastodon.online

                @nixCraft @DamonHD
                My current fund is apparently Aegon GrowthTkrFlexTgtPn ARC. Which is 71.85% "Non-UK", and mostly Financial & Technology. I have little idea what it's investing in 🤷‍♂️
                FFS 😖

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                @clanger9 @nixCraft

                37% US equities top chunk, but highest sub-fund is "Aegon BlackRock US Equity ESG Screened and Optimised Index" (17%) which may limit your exposure to passive trading for SpaceX+AIs to under about 20%. But I am NOT an advisor, finance professional, etc. Your pension fund should explain if you ask about your specific worries.

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                • clanger9@mastodon.onlineC clanger9@mastodon.online

                  @brunogirin @nixCraft @DamonHD
                  Yeah, that's my plan. Probably switch to non-bubble non-US / sustainable or infrastructure funds for a bit, then switch it back when all this blows over. Will see what the professionals recommend...

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                  @brunogirin @nixCraft @DamonHD @clanger9
                  I'm not chasing max returns here.
                  Just need to maintain stability, which I sense I'm not gonna get if I do nothing. 🤪

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                  • damonhd@mastodon.socialD damonhd@mastodon.social

                    @clanger9 @nixCraft

                    37% US equities top chunk, but highest sub-fund is "Aegon BlackRock US Equity ESG Screened and Optimised Index" (17%) which may limit your exposure to passive trading for SpaceX+AIs to under about 20%. But I am NOT an advisor, finance professional, etc. Your pension fund should explain if you ask about your specific worries.

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                    Aegon Growth Tracker (Flexible Target) (ARC) Pn Fund factsheet | Trustnet

                    The latest fund information for Aegon Growth Tracker (Flexible Target) (ARC) Pn, including fund prices, fund performance, ratings, analysis, asset allocation, ratios & fund manager information.

                    favicon

                    Trustnet (www.trustnet.com)

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                    @nixCraft @DamonHD
                    Thanks! Yeah, that is more or less what I figured was my exposure.
                    No immediate panic, but I'll be damned if I'm paying for any more Space Karen crap out of *my* retirement pot 🤡

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                    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                      For SpaceX (and possible the others like OpenAI and Anthropic), stock market rules were changed recently. Since they changed the rules to force over $30 trillion in passive 401k and retirement fund money to buy SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropicat IPO valuations giving exit to big VCs and others. At the end of the day people who put or government backed pension fund put small money every month are going to pay for this mess. Such is evilness of these AI companies.

                      Source https://xcancel.com/Hedgeye/status/2060435253928604065

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                      The freight side of this matters too. When labor pressure rises, the people moving the goods usually feel it before the headline cycle catches up.

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                      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                        For SpaceX (and possible the others like OpenAI and Anthropic), stock market rules were changed recently. Since they changed the rules to force over $30 trillion in passive 401k and retirement fund money to buy SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropicat IPO valuations giving exit to big VCs and others. At the end of the day people who put or government backed pension fund put small money every month are going to pay for this mess. Such is evilness of these AI companies.

                        Source https://xcancel.com/Hedgeye/status/2060435253928604065

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                        @nixCraft More like techbros trying to beat investor expectations to profitability OR AGI to prevent a bubble pop because they know people will be howling to collect their heads....And the larger finance system nervously going along with it because they know that this has gotten so large it'll crash world markets kicking off a depression that could potentially last decades. Everyone's on the bus. No ones really in control. Strange days, eh?

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                        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                          For SpaceX (and possible the others like OpenAI and Anthropic), stock market rules were changed recently. Since they changed the rules to force over $30 trillion in passive 401k and retirement fund money to buy SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropicat IPO valuations giving exit to big VCs and others. At the end of the day people who put or government backed pension fund put small money every month are going to pay for this mess. Such is evilness of these AI companies.

                          Source https://xcancel.com/Hedgeye/status/2060435253928604065

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                          @nixCraft Sounds like time to stuff cash under the mattress...

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                          • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                            For SpaceX (and possible the others like OpenAI and Anthropic), stock market rules were changed recently. Since they changed the rules to force over $30 trillion in passive 401k and retirement fund money to buy SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropicat IPO valuations giving exit to big VCs and others. At the end of the day people who put or government backed pension fund put small money every month are going to pay for this mess. Such is evilness of these AI companies.

                            Source https://xcancel.com/Hedgeye/status/2060435253928604065

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                            @nixCraft
                            Now our tax dollars support them instead of healthcare and our retirements are fucked

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                            • southfresh@mastodon.socialS southfresh@mastodon.social

                              @nixCraft I would like a good explanation of how two large companies that are both burning cash could possibly, legitimately, bring 4 trillion to the market.

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                              @SouthFresh @nixCraft I just checked my own private pension pot for my direct exposure to this ass-clownery and it is ~0.5%. But I'm weighted into UK equities so any FTSE firms stupid enough to buy their products will most likely get hit now it looks like the crash is coming. Let's just get it over with. Refer to Prof. Cipolla's Laws of Human Stupidity: the rest of us end up carrying the can for arrogance, malice, greed, and outright stupidity.

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                              • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                For SpaceX (and possible the others like OpenAI and Anthropic), stock market rules were changed recently. Since they changed the rules to force over $30 trillion in passive 401k and retirement fund money to buy SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropicat IPO valuations giving exit to big VCs and others. At the end of the day people who put or government backed pension fund put small money every month are going to pay for this mess. Such is evilness of these AI companies.

                                Source https://xcancel.com/Hedgeye/status/2060435253928604065

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                                @nixCraft currently in the process of rebalancing towards more mid and small cap/bonds because of this. already reblanaced about 1/2 of my stocks into international before trump got back into office.

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                                • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                  For SpaceX (and possible the others like OpenAI and Anthropic), stock market rules were changed recently. Since they changed the rules to force over $30 trillion in passive 401k and retirement fund money to buy SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropicat IPO valuations giving exit to big VCs and others. At the end of the day people who put or government backed pension fund put small money every month are going to pay for this mess. Such is evilness of these AI companies.

                                  Source https://xcancel.com/Hedgeye/status/2060435253928604065

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                                  @nixCraft
                                  As a former licensed securities rep and investment company employee, I recommend that USians with a 401ks look closer into their investment options.

                                  Index funds may not be your only options.

                                  If your 401k offers a choice, do some research and switch to more socially responsible alternatives.

                                  Your 401k may permit the option to open a brokerage account. If so, you can choose individual stocks and/or more socially aware funds inside that account.

                                  #Investing #SocialResponsibility

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                                  • bms48@mastodon.socialB bms48@mastodon.social

                                    @SouthFresh @nixCraft I just checked my own private pension pot for my direct exposure to this ass-clownery and it is ~0.5%. But I'm weighted into UK equities so any FTSE firms stupid enough to buy their products will most likely get hit now it looks like the crash is coming. Let's just get it over with. Refer to Prof. Cipolla's Laws of Human Stupidity: the rest of us end up carrying the can for arrogance, malice, greed, and outright stupidity.

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                                    @bms48 @SouthFresh @nixCraft I'm pretty sure the area is effect is going to be huge. There are huge secondary and tertiary links. If the AI bubble pops, I don't think anything can be relied on to be safe.

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                                    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                      For SpaceX (and possible the others like OpenAI and Anthropic), stock market rules were changed recently. Since they changed the rules to force over $30 trillion in passive 401k and retirement fund money to buy SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropicat IPO valuations giving exit to big VCs and others. At the end of the day people who put or government backed pension fund put small money every month are going to pay for this mess. Such is evilness of these AI companies.

                                      Source https://xcancel.com/Hedgeye/status/2060435253928604065

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                                      @nixCraft It's not gambling when the casino can see all of the cards. All I can say is "goof luck" to anyone trying to get rich from the stock market.

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                                      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                        For SpaceX (and possible the others like OpenAI and Anthropic), stock market rules were changed recently. Since they changed the rules to force over $30 trillion in passive 401k and retirement fund money to buy SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropicat IPO valuations giving exit to big VCs and others. At the end of the day people who put or government backed pension fund put small money every month are going to pay for this mess. Such is evilness of these AI companies.

                                        Source https://xcancel.com/Hedgeye/status/2060435253928604065

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                                        @nixCraft this should be highly illegal and all those who profit from it should be liable with their personal wealth.

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                                        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                          For SpaceX (and possible the others like OpenAI and Anthropic), stock market rules were changed recently. Since they changed the rules to force over $30 trillion in passive 401k and retirement fund money to buy SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropicat IPO valuations giving exit to big VCs and others. At the end of the day people who put or government backed pension fund put small money every month are going to pay for this mess. Such is evilness of these AI companies.

                                          Source https://xcancel.com/Hedgeye/status/2060435253928604065

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                                          @nixCraft This is why it pays, if you have the time, to look at investment options in your funds and review what they actually invest in. In Australia the funds needs to declare this every six months (usually March & September). Unfortunately most will include Nvidia etc, but the mix of arms merchants and planet killers does vary.

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