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  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

    For SpaceX (and possible the others like OpenAI and Anthropic), stock market rules were changed recently. Since they changed the rules to force over $30 trillion in passive 401k and retirement fund money to buy SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropicat IPO valuations giving exit to big VCs and others. At the end of the day people who put or government backed pension fund put small money every month are going to pay for this mess. Such is evilness of these AI companies.

    Source https://xcancel.com/Hedgeye/status/2060435253928604065

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    @nixCraft with cascading ipo's, spacex then anthropic then openai we'll have cascading lock-up periods expiring. can't even imagine the scale of the selling.

    public: buys at the top
    private: sells at the top

    rinse and repeat

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    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

      Can the stockmarket swallow Anthropic, SpaceX and OpenAI?
      https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2026/06/01/can-the-stockmarket-swallow-anthropic-spacex-and-openai ( paywall free link https://archive.ph/WNrzP )

      SpaceX/Anthropic/OpenAI are bringing massive IPOs that could add $4 trillion to the U.S. market. But, economist warn of a big risk if these companies receive fast track index inclusion forcing tracker funds to buy the shares immediately & with crazy valuations and retail/pension/insurance/governments fund holding massive indigestion & crash in their holdings.

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      TL;DR: Original index rules were built to protect retail & small investors' retirement funds from being scammed out of their life savings. But AI company bosses has used their deep connections with U.S. government to change these rules, giving them an unfair advantage & an immediate exit for VCs out of AI or LLM companies at a premium price. AI is not profitable at all. This is a big scam & 100% is going to crash everything so hard while AI company bosses become the first trillionaires

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      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

        TL;DR: Original index rules were built to protect retail & small investors' retirement funds from being scammed out of their life savings. But AI company bosses has used their deep connections with U.S. government to change these rules, giving them an unfair advantage & an immediate exit for VCs out of AI or LLM companies at a premium price. AI is not profitable at all. This is a big scam & 100% is going to crash everything so hard while AI company bosses become the first trillionaires

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        @nixCraft have today sent an email to my pension provider about these rule changes and asking how I ensure my pension is not exposed to any nasdaq 100 index linked funds

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        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

          For SpaceX (and possible the others like OpenAI and Anthropic), stock market rules were changed recently. Since they changed the rules to force over $30 trillion in passive 401k and retirement fund money to buy SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropicat IPO valuations giving exit to big VCs and others. At the end of the day people who put or government backed pension fund put small money every month are going to pay for this mess. Such is evilness of these AI companies.

          Source https://xcancel.com/Hedgeye/status/2060435253928604065

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          @nixCraft To me, this indicates a near term run on toilet paper, beans, rice, seeds, water and pitchforks. It might behoove us all to pay attention.

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          • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

            TL;DR: Original index rules were built to protect retail & small investors' retirement funds from being scammed out of their life savings. But AI company bosses has used their deep connections with U.S. government to change these rules, giving them an unfair advantage & an immediate exit for VCs out of AI or LLM companies at a premium price. AI is not profitable at all. This is a big scam & 100% is going to crash everything so hard while AI company bosses become the first trillionaires

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            @nixCraft " while AI company bosses become the first trillionaires ":shortly before becoming the first trillionaires to lose their heads (said heads ending on spikes)

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            • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

              For SpaceX (and possible the others like OpenAI and Anthropic), stock market rules were changed recently. Since they changed the rules to force over $30 trillion in passive 401k and retirement fund money to buy SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropicat IPO valuations giving exit to big VCs and others. At the end of the day people who put or government backed pension fund put small money every month are going to pay for this mess. Such is evilness of these AI companies.

              Source https://xcancel.com/Hedgeye/status/2060435253928604065

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              @nixCraft

              So a company that lost nearly 5 billion dollars last year, and lost nearly as much in the *first quarter* of this year is basically being bailed out by every middle class and working class individuals retirement accounts - and for most of us there's effectively nothing we can (legally) do about it.

              Break out the guillotines.

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              • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                For SpaceX (and possible the others like OpenAI and Anthropic), stock market rules were changed recently. Since they changed the rules to force over $30 trillion in passive 401k and retirement fund money to buy SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropicat IPO valuations giving exit to big VCs and others. At the end of the day people who put or government backed pension fund put small money every month are going to pay for this mess. Such is evilness of these AI companies.

                Source https://xcancel.com/Hedgeye/status/2060435253928604065

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                @nixCraft gonna write my bank. My rules for investment was no big tech from the beginning, but want to make sure they're keeping to that rule.

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                • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                  Can the stockmarket swallow Anthropic, SpaceX and OpenAI?
                  https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2026/06/01/can-the-stockmarket-swallow-anthropic-spacex-and-openai ( paywall free link https://archive.ph/WNrzP )

                  SpaceX/Anthropic/OpenAI are bringing massive IPOs that could add $4 trillion to the U.S. market. But, economist warn of a big risk if these companies receive fast track index inclusion forcing tracker funds to buy the shares immediately & with crazy valuations and retail/pension/insurance/governments fund holding massive indigestion & crash in their holdings.

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                  @nixCraft I would like a good explanation of how two large companies that are both burning cash could possibly, legitimately, bring 4 trillion to the market.

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                  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                    For SpaceX (and possible the others like OpenAI and Anthropic), stock market rules were changed recently. Since they changed the rules to force over $30 trillion in passive 401k and retirement fund money to buy SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropicat IPO valuations giving exit to big VCs and others. At the end of the day people who put or government backed pension fund put small money every month are going to pay for this mess. Such is evilness of these AI companies.

                    Source https://xcancel.com/Hedgeye/status/2060435253928604065

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                    @nixCraft

                    Investing via retirement funds, or via an #ETF into plain vanilla indices has always meant a substantial part of your money is benefiting dubious corporations.

                    Even when you see tags like "socially responsible", "Paris climate blah" attached to an index, you'd be amazed how many of those are still included. One needs to look closer.

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                    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                      For SpaceX (and possible the others like OpenAI and Anthropic), stock market rules were changed recently. Since they changed the rules to force over $30 trillion in passive 401k and retirement fund money to buy SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropicat IPO valuations giving exit to big VCs and others. At the end of the day people who put or government backed pension fund put small money every month are going to pay for this mess. Such is evilness of these AI companies.

                      Source https://xcancel.com/Hedgeye/status/2060435253928604065

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                      @nixCraft I am, once again, baffled at how this isn't a major story. The changes to the nasdaq rules were discussed on some podcasts when the first rumblings around the IPO first appeared.
                      It's an absolute scandal. It's madness to expect these insane valuations to hold. This entire thing is about cashing out a bunch of rich people and leaving pensions and misguided Elon fans holding the bag.

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                      • clanger9@mastodon.onlineC clanger9@mastodon.online

                        @nixCraft
                        This is nuts.
                        Like many, my (UK) pension is in a 'default' tracker that will automatically get pulled in to SpaceX trading as a result of this change. That's not a risk I am willing to take. 😬
                        So I now need to engage a financial advisor to switch away from this nonsense ASAP...

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                        @clanger9 @nixCraft (I am NOT authorised to give financial advice. This is what *I* did.)

                        Some time ago when the current US president was voted in I moved almost all my/family investments away from the US (except some 'active' funds). Some of that money went into a cheap L&G UK tracker, which avoids this particular issue. Moving funds from a US tracker to a UK tracker with a big name and low fees may not require a full IFA flex...

                        (I am going to re-check that I don't have exposure to this.)

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                        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                          For SpaceX (and possible the others like OpenAI and Anthropic), stock market rules were changed recently. Since they changed the rules to force over $30 trillion in passive 401k and retirement fund money to buy SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropicat IPO valuations giving exit to big VCs and others. At the end of the day people who put or government backed pension fund put small money every month are going to pay for this mess. Such is evilness of these AI companies.

                          Source https://xcancel.com/Hedgeye/status/2060435253928604065

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                          @nixCraft

                          Marvel at the efficiencies of the private market. So glad neolibs killed pensions in the 70s and replaced them with 401ks, it's worked out so well!

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                          • damonhd@mastodon.socialD damonhd@mastodon.social

                            @clanger9 @nixCraft (I am NOT authorised to give financial advice. This is what *I* did.)

                            Some time ago when the current US president was voted in I moved almost all my/family investments away from the US (except some 'active' funds). Some of that money went into a cheap L&G UK tracker, which avoids this particular issue. Moving funds from a US tracker to a UK tracker with a big name and low fees may not require a full IFA flex...

                            (I am going to re-check that I don't have exposure to this.)

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                            @nixCraft @DamonHD
                            Indeed. Trackers are really complicated - and my retirement pot is at stake here!
                            This is not my jam, but I know enough to see the risks. Fixing it is a job for the professionals... 🦈

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                            • damonhd@mastodon.socialD damonhd@mastodon.social

                              @clanger9 @nixCraft (I am NOT authorised to give financial advice. This is what *I* did.)

                              Some time ago when the current US president was voted in I moved almost all my/family investments away from the US (except some 'active' funds). Some of that money went into a cheap L&G UK tracker, which avoids this particular issue. Moving funds from a US tracker to a UK tracker with a big name and low fees may not require a full IFA flex...

                              (I am going to re-check that I don't have exposure to this.)

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                              @DamonHD @clanger9 @nixCraft
                              Sensible if you manage your investment directly. If you have a pension fund, you're on step removed.

                              So yeah, I have the same problem: I need to work out where they invest my money and then find an alternative pension fund that is less exposed.

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                              • clanger9@mastodon.onlineC clanger9@mastodon.online

                                @nixCraft @DamonHD
                                Indeed. Trackers are really complicated - and my retirement pot is at stake here!
                                This is not my jam, but I know enough to see the risks. Fixing it is a job for the professionals... 🦈

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                                @clanger9 @nixCraft The simplest trackers are simple. But indeed if you do not feel confident, then get professional advice!

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                                • brunogirin@mastodon.me.ukB brunogirin@mastodon.me.uk

                                  @DamonHD @clanger9 @nixCraft
                                  Sensible if you manage your investment directly. If you have a pension fund, you're on step removed.

                                  So yeah, I have the same problem: I need to work out where they invest my money and then find an alternative pension fund that is less exposed.

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                                  @brunogirin @clanger9 @nixCraft I have a personal pension (separate to my main one) that lets me choose between sub-funds, so I can exclude all US investments in there if I wish. Does your pension have any sort of similar scheme?

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                                  • damonhd@mastodon.socialD damonhd@mastodon.social

                                    @brunogirin @clanger9 @nixCraft I have a personal pension (separate to my main one) that lets me choose between sub-funds, so I can exclude all US investments in there if I wish. Does your pension have any sort of similar scheme?

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                                    @DamonHD @clanger9 @nixCraft
                                    Nope. I need one of those then!

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                                    • brunogirin@mastodon.me.ukB brunogirin@mastodon.me.uk

                                      @DamonHD @clanger9 @nixCraft
                                      Sensible if you manage your investment directly. If you have a pension fund, you're on step removed.

                                      So yeah, I have the same problem: I need to work out where they invest my money and then find an alternative pension fund that is less exposed.

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                                      @DamonHD @nixCraft @brunogirin
                                      Exactly. I'm normally a passive investor, but I can see that my pension is (by default) invested in a tracker fund that looks like it will automatically underwrite the SpaceX IPO - despite them never having turned a profit! 🙄
                                      The only way to fix this is to transfer into another fund - which is not something I can (or should) do without professional advice...

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                                      • damonhd@mastodon.socialD damonhd@mastodon.social

                                        @brunogirin @clanger9 @nixCraft I have a personal pension (separate to my main one) that lets me choose between sub-funds, so I can exclude all US investments in there if I wish. Does your pension have any sort of similar scheme?

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                                        @brunogirin @nixCraft @DamonHD
                                        I can choose any fund in my pension, but if I select anything other than the default, then "I'm on my own", apparently.
                                        Given the opacity of many (most?) funds, I have no way of knowing what I'm investing in. Normally, I would trust the tracker to do its job, but changing the rules to benefit a single (high risk!) IPO totally breaks that trust.
                                        Hence the need for professional help...

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                                        • interpipes@thx.ggI interpipes@thx.gg

                                          @nixCraft have today sent an email to my pension provider about these rule changes and asking how I ensure my pension is not exposed to any nasdaq 100 index linked funds

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                                          There's this little Danish pension fund that may inspire them not to give you a funny look.

                                          reuters.com

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                                          (www.reuters.com)

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