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As a teacher I sometimes feel like there is a mismatch between the amount of work I do and how that work is counted towards meeting my job requirements.

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  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

    As a teacher I sometimes feel like there is a mismatch between the amount of work I do and how that work is counted towards meeting my job requirements.

    Like most teachers I'm expected to teach a certain number of courses. But it doesn't matter if it's a course I've taught before, or a totally new course I've developing it's all counted the same.

    Designing a new course is much harder and takes much more time than teaching the same thing I taught last year to new students.

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    So there is a subtile pressure to just teach the same things over and over. Because I've created all of the material, I know how it will work. In terms of time? I'm talking three times more prep to teach something new vs. teaching something old.

    Of course I still take on new courses and develop new worksheets, lessons, test, tons of material. But this isn't officially part of my job, I just like teaching. I do the work for the love of the game and because it's more fun being good at your job.

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    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

      So there is a subtile pressure to just teach the same things over and over. Because I've created all of the material, I know how it will work. In terms of time? I'm talking three times more prep to teach something new vs. teaching something old.

      Of course I still take on new courses and develop new worksheets, lessons, test, tons of material. But this isn't officially part of my job, I just like teaching. I do the work for the love of the game and because it's more fun being good at your job.

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      There are "summer curriculum development grants" and this helps a little, but it's not always work done during the summer.

      Right now I'm organizing my old worksheets and tests so they will be easier for other teachers to use. I know the department head will be pleased with this, and the other teachers will like it, but it's extra work and "not counted"

      I think most jobs can look like this. And I don't have a great solution. I just wish teachers were recognized more for this kind of work.

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      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

        There are "summer curriculum development grants" and this helps a little, but it's not always work done during the summer.

        Right now I'm organizing my old worksheets and tests so they will be easier for other teachers to use. I know the department head will be pleased with this, and the other teachers will like it, but it's extra work and "not counted"

        I think most jobs can look like this. And I don't have a great solution. I just wish teachers were recognized more for this kind of work.

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        To put it more succinctly: the way my job is structured "teaching" is thought of as something I do in a classroom with students. Maybe "teaching" is also grading papers and writing comments about how students are doing.

        But teaching is also developing materials, deciding what to teach, how to teach it. Research, testing lesson ideas, refining them, tailoring the lessons to particular groups of students, or individual students.

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        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

          To put it more succinctly: the way my job is structured "teaching" is thought of as something I do in a classroom with students. Maybe "teaching" is also grading papers and writing comments about how students are doing.

          But teaching is also developing materials, deciding what to teach, how to teach it. Research, testing lesson ideas, refining them, tailoring the lessons to particular groups of students, or individual students.

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          @futurebird standing at the front teaching is the easiest part (if you've done the other 90% of the unseen work)

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          • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

            To put it more succinctly: the way my job is structured "teaching" is thought of as something I do in a classroom with students. Maybe "teaching" is also grading papers and writing comments about how students are doing.

            But teaching is also developing materials, deciding what to teach, how to teach it. Research, testing lesson ideas, refining them, tailoring the lessons to particular groups of students, or individual students.

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            Teaching is creative work. And this might be a bit of a hot take, but I think if a "teacher" is just using canned lesson plans and never making their own, just marching through the standards by the book they aren't really doing a good job.

            I remember early in my career a principal tried to tell me "you don't need to write lessons they are all right here they came with the textbook" and showed me the canned lessons like I was just going to do those and call it "teaching" I nearly lost it.

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              @futurebird standing at the front teaching is the easiest part (if you've done the other 90% of the unseen work)

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              @tootbrute

              There are days when I've spent three hours doing prep for a 40min class. There are days when I just pull out the lesson I did last year and change the date and roll in with zero new prep, because I know it worked last time and I'm excited to do it the same way again.

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              • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                Teaching is creative work. And this might be a bit of a hot take, but I think if a "teacher" is just using canned lesson plans and never making their own, just marching through the standards by the book they aren't really doing a good job.

                I remember early in my career a principal tried to tell me "you don't need to write lessons they are all right here they came with the textbook" and showed me the canned lessons like I was just going to do those and call it "teaching" I nearly lost it.

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                Listen, I can use a canned lesson and I can even make it excellent, but it still takes prep time. Sometimes it takes a lot of prep-time to adapt the list of "standards" and "objectives" to something where the kids will actually learn anything, something they will want to do and remember.

                Just because a lesson plan form is filled out doesn't mean there is a lesson plan.

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                • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                  Teaching is creative work. And this might be a bit of a hot take, but I think if a "teacher" is just using canned lesson plans and never making their own, just marching through the standards by the book they aren't really doing a good job.

                  I remember early in my career a principal tried to tell me "you don't need to write lessons they are all right here they came with the textbook" and showed me the canned lessons like I was just going to do those and call it "teaching" I nearly lost it.

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                  @futurebird When I started taking teaching more seriously, I wrote a few pages in my notebook about all my favorite teachers and what they did right.

                  Be knowledgeable, make the flow of information painless, really love the subject. Ask questions, believe in the kids.

                  My favorite lecturer in grad school writes all his lectures by stitching together the best parts of 3 or 4 textbooks per class. You can't do that without a ton of prep.

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                  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                    To put it more succinctly: the way my job is structured "teaching" is thought of as something I do in a classroom with students. Maybe "teaching" is also grading papers and writing comments about how students are doing.

                    But teaching is also developing materials, deciding what to teach, how to teach it. Research, testing lesson ideas, refining them, tailoring the lessons to particular groups of students, or individual students.

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                    @futurebird it’s very discouraging at times because it encourages /incentivizes instructors to just recycle assessment materials with new numbers rather than thinking through alternative and better ways to challenge students to understand and master the material. Then, there’s also excessive use of computer scored multiple choice components to exams.

                    At one place I taught, instructors were paid a seemingly very generous hourly rate under their collective agreement. However, this was completely misleading as it only counted classroom hours of instruction. It didn’t even include mandatory weekly office hours during the semester let alone hours to supervise exams during exam weeks or the preparation and marking/grading of assignments and exams.

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                    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                      As a teacher I sometimes feel like there is a mismatch between the amount of work I do and how that work is counted towards meeting my job requirements.

                      Like most teachers I'm expected to teach a certain number of courses. But it doesn't matter if it's a course I've taught before, or a totally new course I've developing it's all counted the same.

                      Designing a new course is much harder and takes much more time than teaching the same thing I taught last year to new students.

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                      @futurebird
                      It really discourages revision and improvement too. Every year I try to improve or update my course design, but this is never as much as I would like, and very limited if I'm teaching something new. But I have no incentive to do so other than wanting to teach better. The practice fits right in with the academic ethos of free labor called "service," though.

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                        @beanbagashtray

                        "What do you mean you need more prep time? all the lessons are already written for you?"

                        Do you think, I am some kind of wind-up doll that plays lessons plans like they are cassette tapes? What on earth do you think I'm doing exactly?

                        I don't really trust admins who don't also teach at least one or two classes because they forget what teaching is and how detached "classroom contact hours" are from the real work.

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                          @beanbagashtray

                          Yuuuup

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                          • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                            @beanbagashtray

                            "What do you mean you need more prep time? all the lessons are already written for you?"

                            Do you think, I am some kind of wind-up doll that plays lessons plans like they are cassette tapes? What on earth do you think I'm doing exactly?

                            I don't really trust admins who don't also teach at least one or two classes because they forget what teaching is and how detached "classroom contact hours" are from the real work.

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                            @futurebird @beanbagashtray that's what they want you to be :V

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                            • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                              Teaching is creative work. And this might be a bit of a hot take, but I think if a "teacher" is just using canned lesson plans and never making their own, just marching through the standards by the book they aren't really doing a good job.

                              I remember early in my career a principal tried to tell me "you don't need to write lessons they are all right here they came with the textbook" and showed me the canned lessons like I was just going to do those and call it "teaching" I nearly lost it.

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                              @futurebird I can add that students realise this. I've had teachers running even their dad jokes from their old journals.

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                              • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                As a teacher I sometimes feel like there is a mismatch between the amount of work I do and how that work is counted towards meeting my job requirements.

                                Like most teachers I'm expected to teach a certain number of courses. But it doesn't matter if it's a course I've taught before, or a totally new course I've developing it's all counted the same.

                                Designing a new course is much harder and takes much more time than teaching the same thing I taught last year to new students.

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                                @futurebird the last time I prepared a new hour long lecture it took me five hours, and that was a lecture for adults who already buy into the epistemologic framework of evidence based medicine

                                I can't imagine how long it would take to do a version of that for kids

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                                • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                  There are "summer curriculum development grants" and this helps a little, but it's not always work done during the summer.

                                  Right now I'm organizing my old worksheets and tests so they will be easier for other teachers to use. I know the department head will be pleased with this, and the other teachers will like it, but it's extra work and "not counted"

                                  I think most jobs can look like this. And I don't have a great solution. I just wish teachers were recognized more for this kind of work.

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                                  @futurebird Glue work is how I've heard it referred to but not sure how widespread the term is outside of coding.

                                  Just a moment...

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                                  (medium.com)

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                                  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                    Listen, I can use a canned lesson and I can even make it excellent, but it still takes prep time. Sometimes it takes a lot of prep-time to adapt the list of "standards" and "objectives" to something where the kids will actually learn anything, something they will want to do and remember.

                                    Just because a lesson plan form is filled out doesn't mean there is a lesson plan.

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                                    @futurebird

                                    If you ever write a good "howto" about how to use a canned lesson and make it excellent, I'd be interested...

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                                    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                      Teaching is creative work. And this might be a bit of a hot take, but I think if a "teacher" is just using canned lesson plans and never making their own, just marching through the standards by the book they aren't really doing a good job.

                                      I remember early in my career a principal tried to tell me "you don't need to write lessons they are all right here they came with the textbook" and showed me the canned lessons like I was just going to do those and call it "teaching" I nearly lost it.

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                                      @futurebird Both years I spent classroom teaching, I had to start from scratch. No previous teacher. No resources. No team. The other teacher teaching the same grade was a "here's my book of worksheets that we're going to work through this year".

                                      I wanted to be a minimal worksheet teacher. Worksheets are so much easier, since the kids usually like them too. They sit quietly and work through the questions on most days.

                                      It's such an exhausting job in the first few years.

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                                      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                        There are "summer curriculum development grants" and this helps a little, but it's not always work done during the summer.

                                        Right now I'm organizing my old worksheets and tests so they will be easier for other teachers to use. I know the department head will be pleased with this, and the other teachers will like it, but it's extra work and "not counted"

                                        I think most jobs can look like this. And I don't have a great solution. I just wish teachers were recognized more for this kind of work.

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                                        @futurebird

                                        Well, an open source lesson collection would be a way to make it count, even if not counted.

                                        I suppose that things like that already exist, but they probably should organize at a larger scale...

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                                          @futurebird

                                          If you ever write a good "howto" about how to use a canned lesson and make it excellent, I'd be interested...

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                                          @futurebird

                                          To be clear, I don't contest your opinion about canned lessons; still, as you point, it's a useful skill to be able to start with one when the circumstances require it.

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