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I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

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  • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

    I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

    AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
    AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
    AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
    AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
    AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

    Remember: the robot is not a person.

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    paridimal@mastodon.social
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    #25

    @drahardja

    But it helps me to do one day of my work in one hour!

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    • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

      I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

      AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
      AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
      AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
      AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
      AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

      Remember: the robot is not a person.

      onedawnconstant@climatejustice.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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      onedawnconstant@climatejustice.social
      wrote last edited by
      #26

      @drahardja That is the correct way to describe GenAI: nothing more than context and probability

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      • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

        I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

        AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
        AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
        AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
        AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
        AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

        Remember: the robot is not a person.

        thad@brontosin.spaceT This user is from outside of this forum
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        #27

        @drahardja Not to disagree with your point, but it's interesting to me how anthropomorphizing cognitive functions (answer, hallucinate, etc.) trips people up but anthropomorphizing biological ones (like regurgitate) doesn't.

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        • thad@brontosin.spaceT thad@brontosin.space

          @drahardja Not to disagree with your point, but it's interesting to me how anthropomorphizing cognitive functions (answer, hallucinate, etc.) trips people up but anthropomorphizing biological ones (like regurgitate) doesn't.

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          drahardja@sfba.social
          wrote last edited by
          #28

          @Thad I think “regurgitate” is not something humans regularly do (because we’re not ruminants!), but the more I think about it maybe the word “extrude” would be better.

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          • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

            I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

            AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
            AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
            AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
            AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
            AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

            Remember: the robot is not a person.

            pattykimura@beige.partyP This user is from outside of this forum
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            pattykimura@beige.party
            wrote last edited by
            #29

            @drahardja

            💯

            The most resonate description for me is by Dr Emily Bender who compares it to a Magic Eight Ball, a 64 bit Magic Eight Ball.

            I remain shocked at how easily, relatively "smart" people embrace AI as a cure-all. How CEOs become cheerleaders to subordinates of an unproven robot to "extrude" managerial "decisions" without question.

            Crazy.

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            • lehtimaeki@snapp.socialL lehtimaeki@snapp.social

              @drahardja
              Also, using "AI" for LLMs is misleading. There's no I.

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              #30

              @lehtimaeki @drahardja There's no A either.

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              • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                Remember: the robot is not a person.

                rensbloom@zug.networkR This user is from outside of this forum
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                rensbloom@zug.network
                wrote last edited by
                #31

                @drahardja The worst thing I have heard was a statement "you know who can dothis very well? Copilot!"

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                • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                  I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                  AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                  AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                  AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                  AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                  AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                  Remember: the robot is not a person.

                  chriscorrigan@cosocial.caC This user is from outside of this forum
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                  chriscorrigan@cosocial.ca
                  wrote last edited by
                  #32

                  @drahardja it’s a magic 8 ball that tells you what you want to hear.

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                  • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                    I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                    AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                    AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                    AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                    AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                    AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                    Remember: the robot is not a person.

                    yala@degrowth.socialY This user is from outside of this forum
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                    yala@degrowth.social
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                    #33

                    @drahardja
                    AI is not trained.

                    The preproduction of the model is also included in the anthropomorphisation. Next they will be speaking of giving birth to new models.

                    @harold

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                    • yala@degrowth.socialY yala@degrowth.social

                      @drahardja
                      AI is not trained.

                      The preproduction of the model is also included in the anthropomorphisation. Next they will be speaking of giving birth to new models.

                      @harold

                      drahardja@sfba.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                      drahardja@sfba.social
                      wrote last edited by
                      #34

                      @yala @harold What’s a better term?

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                      • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                        I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                        AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                        AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                        AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                        AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                        AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                        Remember: the robot is not a person.

                        standmit@mastodon.luanti.ruS This user is from outside of this forum
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                        standmit@mastodon.luanti.ru
                        wrote last edited by
                        #35

                        @drahardja
                        Replace the word "AI" with "human" in that statement and it would still be true.

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                        • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                          @yala @harold What’s a better term?

                          dallo@pouet.chapril.orgD This user is from outside of this forum
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                          dallo@pouet.chapril.org
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                          #36

                          @drahardja
                          assimilated ? categorized ? grouped ? patterned ?

                          @yala @harold

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                          • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                            I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                            AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                            AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                            AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                            AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                            AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                            Remember: the robot is not a person.

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                            paniczgodek@functional.cafe
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                            #37

                            @drahardja we describe various phenomena using human words and attributes because we are human

                            (And computers were thinking at least since someone implemented an hourglass icon in them)

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                            • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                              I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                              AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                              AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                              AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                              AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                              AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                              Remember: the robot is not a person.

                              unchartedworlds@scicomm.xyzU This user is from outside of this forum
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                              unchartedworlds@scicomm.xyz
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                              #38

                              @drahardja

                              There's also the option of adding quotes around "AI", as a way to indicate "so-called, not what it actually is".

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                              • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                                AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                                AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                                AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                                AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                                AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                                Remember: the robot is not a person.

                                mlevison@hachyderm.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                mlevison@hachyderm.io
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                                #39

                                @drahardja +1000

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                                • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                  I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                                  AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                                  AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                                  AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                                  AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                                  AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                                  Remember: the robot is not a person.

                                  gunstick@mastodon.opencloud.luG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  gunstick@mastodon.opencloud.lu
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #40

                                  @drahardja
                                  I think bullshit machine is adequate.
                                  Maybe not exactly nice towards the bull and shit in general. At least it's not a human condition (usually).

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                                  • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                    I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                                    AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                                    AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                                    AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                                    AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                                    AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                                    Remember: the robot is not a person.

                                    forthy42@mastodon.net2o.deF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    forthy42@mastodon.net2o.de
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                                    #41

                                    @drahardja Given how less smart humans produce answers, we'd rather hope not to know with these details how their model works…

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                                    • gunstick@mastodon.opencloud.luG gunstick@mastodon.opencloud.lu

                                      @drahardja
                                      I think bullshit machine is adequate.
                                      Maybe not exactly nice towards the bull and shit in general. At least it's not a human condition (usually).

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                                      #42

                                      @gunstick @drahardja Bullshit machines would produce bullshit no matter what kind of input you give. The Autocompletion Parrot doesn't. If you manage to guide it to autocomplete a good conversation starter, you can somewhat get something not too far from what you could have written yourself.

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                                      • forthy42@mastodon.net2o.deF forthy42@mastodon.net2o.de

                                        @gunstick @drahardja Bullshit machines would produce bullshit no matter what kind of input you give. The Autocompletion Parrot doesn't. If you manage to guide it to autocomplete a good conversation starter, you can somewhat get something not too far from what you could have written yourself.

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                                        gunstick@mastodon.opencloud.lu
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                                        #43

                                        @forthy42 @drahardja oh yes indeed. User error. By the meme "every machine is a smoke machine if operated wrong enough" I present you the "every AI is a bullshit machine if prompted wrong enough"

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                                        • mrgrumpymonkey@mastodon.socialM mrgrumpymonkey@mastodon.social

                                          @lehtimaeki @drahardja There's no A either.

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                                          forthy42@mastodon.net2o.de
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #44

                                          @mrgrumpymonkey @lehtimaeki @drahardja It actually is a compression function of human generated text together with a probability optimizer to decompress the most likely text.

                                          So yes, it's not intelligent, and it is not artificial. It is just another sloppy way to search the Internet, and find something that is close, but not actually there.

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