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I'll give the last word today on the Gorton & Denton by-election & its implications to Ben Ansell (UOxford).

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    I'll give the last word today on the Gorton & Denton by-election & its implications to Ben Ansell (UOxford).

    The combination of Zac Polanski's reshaping of the Green Party of England & Wales' rhetoric & positioning, and the Labour Party's abandonment of the Left have opened up a space which may be a lot larger than many commentators think, for the Greens to walk into!

    #politics #Greens #Labour

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      I'll give the last word today on the Gorton & Denton by-election & its implications to Ben Ansell (UOxford).

      The combination of Zac Polanski's reshaping of the Green Party of England & Wales' rhetoric & positioning, and the Labour Party's abandonment of the Left have opened up a space which may be a lot larger than many commentators think, for the Greens to walk into!

      #politics #Greens #Labour

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      @ChrisMayLA6

      The Greens have also shown that being overtly pro minorities is not electoral suicide, contrary to what the legacy parties would have us all believe

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        @ChrisMayLA6

        The Greens have also shown that being overtly pro minorities is not electoral suicide, contrary to what the legacy parties would have us all believe

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        @alexadeswift @ChrisMayLA6 I think this is key. Labour (and the Tories) are so bound up in the Westminster bubble that their understanding of political views is just a dialogue between front bench MPs and the political lobby.

        The Greens aren't affected by that because they've never been allowed into that bubble.

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          I'll give the last word today on the Gorton & Denton by-election & its implications to Ben Ansell (UOxford).

          The combination of Zac Polanski's reshaping of the Green Party of England & Wales' rhetoric & positioning, and the Labour Party's abandonment of the Left have opened up a space which may be a lot larger than many commentators think, for the Greens to walk into!

          #politics #Greens #Labour

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          @ChrisMayLA6 I think that second paragraph is off the mark. Left leaning voters have been voting against rather than for parties *until now*. And only some of them. Others have not wanted to vote at all. But now both of those groups have someone to vote *for* and they are doing so enthusiastically.

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            I'll give the last word today on the Gorton & Denton by-election & its implications to Ben Ansell (UOxford).

            The combination of Zac Polanski's reshaping of the Green Party of England & Wales' rhetoric & positioning, and the Labour Party's abandonment of the Left have opened up a space which may be a lot larger than many commentators think, for the Greens to walk into!

            #politics #Greens #Labour

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            @ChrisMayLA6 the policies that Zack is talking about have always been Green policies but we just didn’t talk about them much.

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            • http_error_418@hachyderm.ioH http_error_418@hachyderm.io

              @ChrisMayLA6 I think that second paragraph is off the mark. Left leaning voters have been voting against rather than for parties *until now*. And only some of them. Others have not wanted to vote at all. But now both of those groups have someone to vote *for* and they are doing so enthusiastically.

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              @http_error_418

              Maybe so; but for political scientists there has been a default position for a long time that democracy is essentially about voting against, not for.... my guess is he would find it difficult to see that change (if that change as you suggest is happening)

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                I'll give the last word today on the Gorton & Denton by-election & its implications to Ben Ansell (UOxford).

                The combination of Zac Polanski's reshaping of the Green Party of England & Wales' rhetoric & positioning, and the Labour Party's abandonment of the Left have opened up a space which may be a lot larger than many commentators think, for the Greens to walk into!

                #politics #Greens #Labour

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                @ChrisMayLA6 In Northern Ireland, although we are fortunate to have PR voting for all elections except the GE, tactical voting has been our normal practice for years. Voting to put those we dislike most at the very bottom of the list, and transferring to everyone else first. In GE with a single vote, we pick the candidate most likely to beat the one we don’t like, not necessarily the candidate we prefer. We even have a phrase for it - ‘Vote ‘til you boke’

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                  @alexadeswift @ChrisMayLA6 I think this is key. Labour (and the Tories) are so bound up in the Westminster bubble that their understanding of political views is just a dialogue between front bench MPs and the political lobby.

                  The Greens aren't affected by that because they've never been allowed into that bubble.

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                  @RolloTreadway @alexadeswift

                  yes, I think that's fair; RefromUK Ltd, but taking in start Tories are of course confirming that, in reality, they are not insurgents but just a different wing of the political class.... the very thing the Greens are (at least currently) not

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                    @RolloTreadway @alexadeswift

                    yes, I think that's fair; RefromUK Ltd, but taking in start Tories are of course confirming that, in reality, they are not insurgents but just a different wing of the political class.... the very thing the Greens are (at least currently) not

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                    @ChrisMayLA6

                    I think we are seeing the beginning of a shift away from the Labour - Tory binary, with Greens taking votes away from Labour and the Tories imploding. The problem with Tories imploding is it is leaving a political vacuum which is being filled by a fascist party, albeit the Tories are arguably proto fascist themselves.

                    @RolloTreadway

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