We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

[nonya_bidniss@infosec.exchange]

@drewtowler @cstross I'm afraid I agree on this, we can never forget this. But now while we're boiling in the soup I do understand M. Morris' feeling.

[remittancegirl@mstdn.social]

@cstross it’s gonna be hard, with his minted coins and his signature of currency bills. But I sister has a mortal fear of being erased

[tjbutt58@infosec.exchange]

@cstross It was done in New Zealand with the person who committed the massacres at mosques there a few years ago. I think now only mentioned by name in court papers

[jupiter@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@cstross Do we, though.
I think that makes it easier to avoid learning from history...

[aspragg@ohai.social]

@cstross Considering which politician from the last 50 years would make the most liberal and gleeful use of this custom, and in which directions they'd aim it, IMHO we probably don't want to do that.

[ghostinthenet@hachyderm.io]

@drewtowler @cstross Going on about what was done, why it was bad, and why it shouldn’t happen again can be easily done without the constant mention of someone’s name.

Some take perverse pleasure in hearing their names spread widely regardless of whether the context is good or bad. Denying them that isn’t a bad thing.

“Love me or hate me. Both are in my favour. If you love me, I'll always be in your heart. If you hate me, I'll always be in your mind.” - Vivekananda

[vivtek@indieweb.social]

@Remittancegirl @cstross I'm thinking of getting a little stamp with a black rectangle and the word REDACTED above it, exactly the size of the currency signature.

[meznor@mstdn.social]

@cstross as long as Americans don't forget the many lessons they need to learn from this utter fuckup they've unleashed onto the world and widespread harm caused by it.

[emanuelecariati@varese.social]

@cstross I got the joke. But Damnatio Memoriae is very dangerous. In Italy we still have fascist architecture and symbols. The reason we don’t reap them apart and we still talk about Mussolini is to remind ourselves about the mistakes we’ve made in the past and how to avoid making them again.

If you don’t remember your mistakes you will inevitably repeat them again

[akamran@indieweb.social]

@cstross @hypostase
A) we already do this to people on the regular (see for example https://aus.social/@oscarjiminy/116310770078870754) and
B) we need to remember so we don't repeat this

[weekend_editor@mathstodon.xyz]

@cstross

Didn't work for Herostartus (burned the Artemision) or Akhenaten (tried monotheism in Egypt), or... well, lots of examples.

@davidbrin has periodically suggested, instead of suppressing their names, we legally force a name change to an embarrassing obscenity & require its use in public. (Real name can be in a footnote, but only one time per publication, with limits on type size.)

Just *imagine* the contest to propose a new name for Trump.

[passwordsarehard4@mastodon.social]

@Nonya_Bidniss @drewtowler @cstross strike his name and replace it with The Mistake. Let that be his legacy

[sloanlance@mastodon.social]

@cstross
Sounds like a common practice of fascist rulers.

[sloanlance@mastodon.social]

@rootwyrm @cstross
LLMs are banning "1984"‽ Tell us more! This is the first I've heard of it.

[trurl@mastodon.sdf.org]

@cstross this plus corruption of blood. Under the current constitution, you'll need an amendment to institute that. I think it would send the right message.

[numodular@c.im]

@cstross One of the saddest parts of cyclic behavior is, something worse arising 'next time around'.

[javierg@mstdn.social]

@cstross
I think this case falls squarely in the "never forget, never repeat" of last-century Germany

[octows@mastodon.social]

@cstross @pluralistic @Remittancegirl I look forward to a future in which the only mention of Trump's name in the media comes in the form of headlines that say "Donald Trump still dead”.

[xs4me2@mastodon.social]

@cstross

This is what actually should happen indeed, was only yesterday discussing this when the example of Akhenaton in ancient Egypt came to my mind…
Erased from all official records…

@Remittancegirl

[whatzaname@mstdn.social]

@cstross one day, the first 600 years of turtle island's history after colonization will be known rightly as the warring period. Individual leader names will forgotten, as spans of time are grouped instead by man-made disasters and the aftermath- until the first stable period when the people no longer cede control of their day to day lives to the Moocher class. the warring period will be a short, violent chapter, in relation to the long story of Humanity.