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Please stop asking AI for legal advice.

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  • riley@toot.catR riley@toot.cat

    @theleftistlawyer Coming up next: somebody making genAI testify in court.

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    @riley @theleftistlawyer

    Whatever happened to the lawyers who got caught presenting fake "AI" slop citations as precedent cases?

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    • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

      Please stop asking AI for legal advice. I got yelled at today by a person who was convinced their GenAI was right and I was wrong on a legal issue bc "computers can't make mistakes."

      Worse, the GenAI assured the person (wrongly) it is covered by the same attorney client privilege that lawyers are.

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      @theleftistlawyer Sigh, I'm sorry you had to deal with that.
      People really need to understand that GenAI is a parrot! It spits out patterns based on how humans have responded to similar words in other contexts. It does not understand what you asked, and it has no capacity for discerning whether the pattern response it gave is true or appropriate.
      So it makes perfect sense that a genAI program given a legal Q as a prompt might give a response that says it's it covered by attorney -client privilege. It's just parroting.

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      • nicelymanifest@mastodon.socialN nicelymanifest@mastodon.social

        @theleftistlawyer What will exacerbate this problem is the chronic loss of critical thinking across the land.

        Too many allow themselves to be driven by the herd - they see justification because 'most people do that'.

        Including wearing headphones when crossing the road and not looking as your eyes are still on your phone.

        Hear no car.
        See no car.
        ...

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        @NicelyManifest @theleftistlawyer We already have a major deficit of critical thinking skills. Most people prefer the easy way every time, whether that means trusting an authority figure, what the social group says, reading it in a paper, or from a social computer.

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        • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

          Please stop asking AI for legal advice. I got yelled at today by a person who was convinced their GenAI was right and I was wrong on a legal issue bc "computers can't make mistakes."

          Worse, the GenAI assured the person (wrongly) it is covered by the same attorney client privilege that lawyers are.

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          @theleftistlawyer @SRLevine I would just politely suggest they go collect some
          real world data to back up their assertions.

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          • kitkat_blue@mastodon.socialK kitkat_blue@mastodon.social

            @theleftistlawyer

            It gets worse!!

            Even when a tech corp *claims* it is following privacy law--they -still- do not.

            Honestly, it's come to the point where the privacy assurances of any digital corpo entity are reduced to "maybe they will adhere--and maybe they won't!"

            I bet on "won't". I never trust corpos to be honest, ethical or moral in any of their dealings. I am proved reasonable in that assumption, again and again.

            https://hachyderm.io/@evacide/116482810644418700

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            @theleftistlawyer @kitkat_blue My understanding is that PII is like toxic waste—you can take all the precautions and still have a leak, at which point the law doesn’t really care if you follow best practices and will still hold you liable for the consequences (however inadequate the remedy). The best practice is to minimize the amount of PII (or toxic waste) that you handle or pay through the nose for insurance.

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            • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

              Please stop asking AI for legal advice. I got yelled at today by a person who was convinced their GenAI was right and I was wrong on a legal issue bc "computers can't make mistakes."

              Worse, the GenAI assured the person (wrongly) it is covered by the same attorney client privilege that lawyers are.

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              @theleftistlawyer

              Do you have time to explain how a lawyer might use strategic omission and framing that serves the lawyer's interests over the client's?

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              • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

                Please stop asking AI for legal advice. I got yelled at today by a person who was convinced their GenAI was right and I was wrong on a legal issue bc "computers can't make mistakes."

                Worse, the GenAI assured the person (wrongly) it is covered by the same attorney client privilege that lawyers are.

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                @theleftistlawyer

                "computers can't make mistakes."

                Explain Facebook then.

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                • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

                  Please stop asking AI for legal advice. I got yelled at today by a person who was convinced their GenAI was right and I was wrong on a legal issue bc "computers can't make mistakes."

                  Worse, the GenAI assured the person (wrongly) it is covered by the same attorney client privilege that lawyers are.

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                  @theleftistlawyer It’s a nightmare. They often sound like Sovereign Citizens 😫

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                  • float13@masto.hackers.townF float13@masto.hackers.town

                    @riley @theleftistlawyer

                    Whatever happened to the lawyers who got caught presenting fake "AI" slop citations as precedent cases?

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                    @float13 I believe I have heard of two who got harshly sanctioned, but not yet disbarred. There was also a recent case where somebody got caught being coached on how to testify while on tand via a phone and a Bluetooth headset; they lost the case (the misbehaving witness was the plaintiff in this particular case, which was fortunate). The person to coach them happened to be a lawyer licenced in Lithuania; I'm inclined to argue that a lawyer should be disbarred for even participating in a stunt like that, but I haven't heard of the Lithuanian advocature having taken any action so far.

                    @theleftistlawyer

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                    • meltedcheese@c.imM meltedcheese@c.im

                      @NicelyManifest @theleftistlawyer We already have a major deficit of critical thinking skills. Most people prefer the easy way every time, whether that means trusting an authority figure, what the social group says, reading it in a paper, or from a social computer.

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                      @meltedcheese @theleftistlawyer Pretty scary when linked to uncompromisingly exploitative corporations. Our attention is harvested for profit.

                      Baffles me that even the bright people I know have fallen for the trap. I manage to very very rarely walk with my phone on me.

                      Education systems are deeply flawed, not least that we are taught that the authority figure binding us to desks when we want to be elsewhere is all knowing and we dare not have our own views.

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                      • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

                        Please stop asking AI for legal advice. I got yelled at today by a person who was convinced their GenAI was right and I was wrong on a legal issue bc "computers can't make mistakes."

                        Worse, the GenAI assured the person (wrongly) it is covered by the same attorney client privilege that lawyers are.

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                        @theleftistlawyer and then you read post from the person who pimps her ego with helping vulnerable people to deal with authorities.
                        She says that she is showing AI to her customers, so they can "get legal stuff done" or uses llm to condense emails from someone, who tries to describe her case best she could.
                        Of course it isn't our brave helper who will be homeless when office rejects appeal because of the hallucinations.

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                        • steter@mastodon.stevesworld.coS steter@mastodon.stevesworld.co

                          @theleftistlawyer As a Senior Software and Firmware Engineer for decades, that "computers can't make mistakes" part has me grinning.

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                          @steter @theleftistlawyer as a qa engineer I laugh hysterically

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                          • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

                            Please stop asking AI for legal advice. I got yelled at today by a person who was convinced their GenAI was right and I was wrong on a legal issue bc "computers can't make mistakes."

                            Worse, the GenAI assured the person (wrongly) it is covered by the same attorney client privilege that lawyers are.

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                            @theleftistlawyer - not to mention insurance (at least here in DK)...

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                            • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

                              Please stop asking AI for legal advice. I got yelled at today by a person who was convinced their GenAI was right and I was wrong on a legal issue bc "computers can't make mistakes."

                              Worse, the GenAI assured the person (wrongly) it is covered by the same attorney client privilege that lawyers are.

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                              @theleftistlawyer

                              I think you may need to revise the addage that a person who represents themselves has a fool for a client.

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