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Do we need a term (probably German) for the anxiety that one's work might look like it was generated by machines?

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  • r_3_t_3_c_h@defcon.socialR r_3_t_3_c_h@defcon.social

    @JulianOliver Freteration: The wash of anxiety one feels thinking about presenting something you just created and people may think it was AI generated.

    EG: Jill sat in sweat as the gallery owner looked over her art. Freteration overtook her thinking her paintings may look like they were made by MidJourney.

    Origin: Fret: intransitive verb (frettˈing; frettˈed)
    To vex oneself
    To worry

    Worrai: The anxiety one feels when people think what you just created may be AI generated. A lexical blend of worry and AI.

    EG: While waiting to give his speech, John was filled with worrai thinking his professor would think he used AI instead of writing it himself.

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    @R_3_T_3_C_H 'Worrai' is surely a candidate! Sharp.

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    • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

      Do we need a term (probably German) for the anxiety that one's work might look like it was generated by machines?

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      @JulianOliver Slopschmerz, causing a lot of Kummerspeck.

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      • jpoesen@social.jpoesen.comJ jpoesen@social.jpoesen.com

        @JulianOliver Slopschmerz, causing a lot of Kummerspeck.

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        @jpoesen The moment I read your reply I found myself saying "damn I miss German".

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        • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

          I heard from someone near me today that to make your work appear less like it was machine-generated the emerging rule is that you should not use the 'em dash', nor write in paragraphs, rather one text block.

          I have prior heard another say that text summaries at the end of an article are seen as indication of genAI use, as is text free of typos.

          Has anyone heard of other references to behaviour-change born of such anxiety?

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          This article shared by @slackline has some strongly-related fight in it https://www.theringer.com/2025/08/20/pop-culture/em-dash-use-ai-artificial-intelligence-chatgpt-google-gemini

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          • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

            @catileptic What an insightful take, thank you. I had not considered this as a marker/indicator. This makes sense.

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            @JulianOliver if you'd like to read a bit about the difference between metonymy and metaphor (which are, at their core, concepts from within literature critique and theory), but applied to technologies (like search engines), i highly recommend Alfie Bown's book 'Dream Lovers', chapter 4 (The Match: Metaphor vs Metonymy). you don't need to read the rest of the chapters in order to get something from this one 🙂 (but it's also a genuinely good book!)

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            • catileptic@chaos.socialC catileptic@chaos.social

              @JulianOliver if you'd like to read a bit about the difference between metonymy and metaphor (which are, at their core, concepts from within literature critique and theory), but applied to technologies (like search engines), i highly recommend Alfie Bown's book 'Dream Lovers', chapter 4 (The Match: Metaphor vs Metonymy). you don't need to read the rest of the chapters in order to get something from this one 🙂 (but it's also a genuinely good book!)

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              @JulianOliver and if i can push this forward one more time:

              in literature, legibility isn't a necessity. neither is coherence. and neither is a complete match between form and content. this is what made James Joyce, Pynchon, Heamingway great (to name the ones that most people from different countries might have come across, because we surely have our own examples in local literature)

              genAI algorithms has no concept of form versus content. and thus can not create a divergence between the two

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              • catileptic@chaos.socialC catileptic@chaos.social

                @JulianOliver if you'd like to read a bit about the difference between metonymy and metaphor (which are, at their core, concepts from within literature critique and theory), but applied to technologies (like search engines), i highly recommend Alfie Bown's book 'Dream Lovers', chapter 4 (The Match: Metaphor vs Metonymy). you don't need to read the rest of the chapters in order to get something from this one 🙂 (but it's also a genuinely good book!)

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                @catileptic Thanks a lot. I'll look for this!

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                • catileptic@chaos.socialC catileptic@chaos.social

                  @JulianOliver and if i can push this forward one more time:

                  in literature, legibility isn't a necessity. neither is coherence. and neither is a complete match between form and content. this is what made James Joyce, Pynchon, Heamingway great (to name the ones that most people from different countries might have come across, because we surely have our own examples in local literature)

                  genAI algorithms has no concept of form versus content. and thus can not create a divergence between the two

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                  @catileptic This is also insightful, and I must say encouraging.

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                  • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                    @njr In agreement. I am opposed to any behavioural modification as a function of this would-be anxiety, just interested in it as a socio-technical symptom of our times.

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                    @JulianOliver Sure. Agree with that.

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                    • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                      I heard from someone near me today that to make your work appear less like it was machine-generated the emerging rule is that you should not use the 'em dash', nor write in paragraphs, rather one text block.

                      I have prior heard another say that text summaries at the end of an article are seen as indication of genAI use, as is text free of typos.

                      Has anyone heard of other references to behaviour-change born of such anxiety?

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                      @JulianOliver Oh I added em-dashes to my writing to mess with people who use poor heuristics to detect AI use 🤣

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                      • catileptic@chaos.socialC catileptic@chaos.social

                        @JulianOliver the construction that goes "it isn't only X, it's also Y" is something i've come to suspect as a mark of ai-generated stuff, in both english and romanian

                        in a more abstract sense, semanticly homogenous language is how i explain ai content to myself. people can (and sometimes do) draw paraleles between semantic domains based on subjective interpretarion. this is metonymy. a LLM can't replicate metonymy, only simile (metaphor) ("x is like y")

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                        @catileptic @JulianOliver Yeah, I feel you there. I do a double-take whenever I see that construct on pre-2022 media.

                        In general anything AI does it does because it picks up patterns from human text. So there's no One feature that makes it AI, more like a cluster of features that comes across as a tone or a style. It's hard to describe. I think the best way to put it is the use of writing devices for the sake of using them, rather than to convey information or illustrate a point. This can also give the text an exaggerated, almost zealous tone.

                        When it comes to em dashes, "it's not x it's y", etc, it's more about how it sits within the text rather than simply its presence. If it's being used sparingly to make a point, probably human. If it comes across as weird and forced and overdone, probably AI.

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                        • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                          I heard from someone near me today that to make your work appear less like it was machine-generated the emerging rule is that you should not use the 'em dash', nor write in paragraphs, rather one text block.

                          I have prior heard another say that text summaries at the end of an article are seen as indication of genAI use, as is text free of typos.

                          Has anyone heard of other references to behaviour-change born of such anxiety?

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                          @JulianOliver I have got Gemini or another AI solution to make grotesque errors. i ended a "chat" due to these hallucinations.

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                          • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                            I heard from someone near me today that to make your work appear less like it was machine-generated the emerging rule is that you should not use the 'em dash', nor write in paragraphs, rather one text block.

                            I have prior heard another say that text summaries at the end of an article are seen as indication of genAI use, as is text free of typos.

                            Has anyone heard of other references to behaviour-change born of such anxiety?

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                            @JulianOliver
                            If just an em-dash is enough to make your text look like AI-slop, then maybe that text wasn't really good anyway.

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                            • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                              Do we need a term (probably German) for the anxiety that one's work might look like it was generated by machines?

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                              @JulianOliver LLMposter Syndrome

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                              • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                I heard from someone near me today that to make your work appear less like it was machine-generated the emerging rule is that you should not use the 'em dash', nor write in paragraphs, rather one text block.

                                I have prior heard another say that text summaries at the end of an article are seen as indication of genAI use, as is text free of typos.

                                Has anyone heard of other references to behaviour-change born of such anxiety?

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                                @JulianOliver This is a great listen, specifically about the much-maligned em dash and the em dash backlash: https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/658-the-em-dash/

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                                • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                  @catileptic This is also insightful, and I must say encouraging.

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                                  @JulianOliver @catileptic https://archive.org/stream/alfie-bown-dream-lovers/Alfie_Bown_-_Dream_Lovers_djvu.txt find on page: The Match: Metaphor vs Metonymy

                                  +1 from me on all the tells other people are mentioning. The blandness and inability to put a point on it usually tips me off.

                                  It’s not just boring–it’s also trite 😅

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                                  • catileptic@chaos.socialC catileptic@chaos.social

                                    @JulianOliver if you'd like to read a bit about the difference between metonymy and metaphor (which are, at their core, concepts from within literature critique and theory), but applied to technologies (like search engines), i highly recommend Alfie Bown's book 'Dream Lovers', chapter 4 (The Match: Metaphor vs Metonymy). you don't need to read the rest of the chapters in order to get something from this one 🙂 (but it's also a genuinely good book!)

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                                    @catileptic @JulianOliver Thanks for the book pointer. It looks really interesting.

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                                    • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                      I heard from someone near me today that to make your work appear less like it was machine-generated the emerging rule is that you should not use the 'em dash', nor write in paragraphs, rather one text block.

                                      I have prior heard another say that text summaries at the end of an article are seen as indication of genAI use, as is text free of typos.

                                      Has anyone heard of other references to behaviour-change born of such anxiety?

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                                      @JulianOliver I have seen typos recently that I wondered about. It wouldn't surprise me if humans added more humanity as a signal of authenticity.

                                      I wonder if something like "shoe on head" video chat authentication will also come back out of necessity.

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                                      • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                        @themadhatter True! We don't hear much about the parrot anymore. We should bring it back -- a useful metaphor.

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                                        @JulianOliver this one is not bad either:

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                                        • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                          This article shared by @slackline has some strongly-related fight in it https://www.theringer.com/2025/08/20/pop-culture/em-dash-use-ai-artificial-intelligence-chatgpt-google-gemini

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                                          @JulianOliver
                                          > always used the em dash

                                          Yeah – crowds blame humans for using what the #siliconiac had stolen.

                                          @slackline

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