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  3. The WaPo reported yesterday what we all already knew: the damage to US bases in the Gulf region is more extensive than the Trump admin admits to.

The WaPo reported yesterday what we all already knew: the damage to US bases in the Gulf region is more extensive than the Trump admin admits to.

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  • lykso@tiny.tilde.websiteL lykso@tiny.tilde.website

    @dave @artemis Notably, the reason the hostages in the 1973 bank robbery in Stockholm (from which we got the notion of "Stockholm Syndrome") began siding with the robber was because he was seen to be negotiating in good faith and taking steps to preserve the lives of the hostages, whereas the police seemed to be acting recklessly, without regard for the lives of the hostages. The behavior of Iran versus the US in this war has been bringing this to mind for me quite often as of late.

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    @lykso yep. Also it's clear from their propaganda campaign, Iran *really* understands the American people. They clearly understand that they don't have to fight the US to get them out of the Strait of Hormuz. $5/gal gas will do that for them.

    @artemis

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      @lykso yep. Also it's clear from their propaganda campaign, Iran *really* understands the American people. They clearly understand that they don't have to fight the US to get them out of the Strait of Hormuz. $5/gal gas will do that for them.

      @artemis

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      @dave @lykso @artemis

      In many areas, we're already careening into $7 and $8 gallons. And it's truly just the beginning.

      Just wait until the cost of food skyrockets in the fall...just before elections.

      Dems are going to win so much they might have to actually impeach someone, which would *really* piss them off.

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      • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

        Everything on a US military base is infrastructure, even the McDonald's. This is where they house, feed, & placate their personnel.

        Spouse says stopping at the 5th Fleet HQ in Bahrain was such a relief because it was like stepping into a mini-America. It felt like home, & that was part of its purpose.

        This quote makes it sound like the only thing on a military base an enemy could actually want to destroy is the stuff with the most direct "military" function. That's just fucking silly.

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        @artemis I think there's value to thinking about how the US military is funded by talking about cool weapons and how you could kill people with your thing. There's a lot of money in tools to setup military equipment quickly on the field. There's no money on setting up a gym in a few hours. The US can easily replace weapons and defenses. It can't replace comforts and things that let people live.
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        • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

          For Iran, destroying US military infrastructure has a lot more fucking value than taking lives, but they're still not talking about that, even when they are reporting on the damage done.

          They aren't talking about what the damage means.

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          @artemis How do all those quotes go? Something something logistics win wars?

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            @artemis How do all those quotes go? Something something logistics win wars?

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            @eldersea amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics.

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            • oddtail@meow.socialO oddtail@meow.social

              @artemis

              I mean... when USA got its ass handed back to it in Vietnam, Americans to this day frame the war not as a tragedy for you know... Vietnamese people, but as a nightmare for American troops.

              Even less war-loving Americans seem to reflexively do that.

              (and don't get me started on "thank you for your service" which is basically a prayer to the demigod that the US soldier is, LOL)

              Like... literally nobody invited Americans there.

              OK, I'm done.

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              @oddtail @artemis I absolutely hate, 'thank you for your service". I didn't serve for you, and I certainly didn't fight for a single American's freedom.

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