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  • aj@gts.sadauskas.id.auA This user is from outside of this forum
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    @adavid @spriebsch @preinheimer And we're still in the early phase of @pluralistic's enshittification cycle with AI.

    The likes of Anthropic, OpenAI, Google, and Microsoft are still locking users and businesses into their platforms.

    Tokens are being given away for free, even to people who don't want them.

    The real rentseeking fun begins once everyone's locked into a platform.

    For example, Imagine a world where most businesses run software created using Claude Code completely unchecked.

    What's to stop Anthropic from pushing out a future update of Claude Code that routinely generates code that relies on Anthropic's proprietary APIs to work?

    What's to stop Microsoft from pushing out a future update of Copilot that only works with customer data stored in Dynamics?

    What's to stop Google from pushing out an update to Gemini where all the generated code is exclusively hosted in Google Cloud?

    Why, suddenly you're not just paying for an AI tool that costs the equivalent of a developer's salary.

    But also, if you ever stop paying the monthly rent, then your access to the proprietary APIs ends and all your software breaks. Or you lose access to your customer records. Or all the code you've ever generated, stored on the affiliated cloud platform, vanishes.

    And beyond coding, there's many other ways these platforms could be enshittified for profit.

    For example, if millions of people trust LLMs to manage their daily lives, then suddenly making sure AI agents answer a question like "What should I have for lunch today" with "a Big Mac" is worth billions of dollars to McDonald's.

    Worst of all, if the cost of building out all the data centres and infrastructure is in the trillions, it limits the market to just a handful of players.

    And any online platforms that use their APIs will have to pay an economic rent of their choosing.

    I'm sure there's many other ways they're planning to use this to extract profits and build power.

    That's why investors are willing to pour trillions into this thing.

    It's not because they believe AGI is just around the corner.

    It's because they believe that if enough people and businesses get locked in, they get to put a tax on everything.

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    • aj@gts.sadauskas.id.auA aj@gts.sadauskas.id.au

      @adavid @spriebsch @preinheimer And we're still in the early phase of @pluralistic's enshittification cycle with AI.

      The likes of Anthropic, OpenAI, Google, and Microsoft are still locking users and businesses into their platforms.

      Tokens are being given away for free, even to people who don't want them.

      The real rentseeking fun begins once everyone's locked into a platform.

      For example, Imagine a world where most businesses run software created using Claude Code completely unchecked.

      What's to stop Anthropic from pushing out a future update of Claude Code that routinely generates code that relies on Anthropic's proprietary APIs to work?

      What's to stop Microsoft from pushing out a future update of Copilot that only works with customer data stored in Dynamics?

      What's to stop Google from pushing out an update to Gemini where all the generated code is exclusively hosted in Google Cloud?

      Why, suddenly you're not just paying for an AI tool that costs the equivalent of a developer's salary.

      But also, if you ever stop paying the monthly rent, then your access to the proprietary APIs ends and all your software breaks. Or you lose access to your customer records. Or all the code you've ever generated, stored on the affiliated cloud platform, vanishes.

      And beyond coding, there's many other ways these platforms could be enshittified for profit.

      For example, if millions of people trust LLMs to manage their daily lives, then suddenly making sure AI agents answer a question like "What should I have for lunch today" with "a Big Mac" is worth billions of dollars to McDonald's.

      Worst of all, if the cost of building out all the data centres and infrastructure is in the trillions, it limits the market to just a handful of players.

      And any online platforms that use their APIs will have to pay an economic rent of their choosing.

      I'm sure there's many other ways they're planning to use this to extract profits and build power.

      That's why investors are willing to pour trillions into this thing.

      It's not because they believe AGI is just around the corner.

      It's because they believe that if enough people and businesses get locked in, they get to put a tax on everything.

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      @aj @adavid @spriebsch @preinheimer @pluralistic

      Probably the biggest opportunity for them will be selling propaganda and disinformation services to those who want to control society.

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      • preinheimer@phpc.socialP preinheimer@phpc.social

        If an "AI" company can sell you access to software that will replace a $250k/year software engineer. They're going to charge $249k/year for it.

        That's how capitalism works.

        Well, they're going to charge $20k/year at first, during the land rush phase. Wait for some competitors to die off. Keep it low a while longer to kill off the incumbents. Then it'll jump up a bunch, before finally being even more expensive than the original thing.

        See also: Uber & AirBnB.

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        @preinheimer

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        • preinheimer@phpc.socialP preinheimer@phpc.social

          If an "AI" company can sell you access to software that will replace a $250k/year software engineer. They're going to charge $249k/year for it.

          That's how capitalism works.

          Well, they're going to charge $20k/year at first, during the land rush phase. Wait for some competitors to die off. Keep it low a while longer to kill off the incumbents. Then it'll jump up a bunch, before finally being even more expensive than the original thing.

          See also: Uber & AirBnB.

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          @preinheimer Ross Anderson wrote extensively about this in his chapter on economics in 'Security Engineering '
          It was pretty eye opening for me.
          Explains the rise in Nutanix licence costs, for instance

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            @davedave @preinheimer Hard copy only AFAIK, still in print. You want the most recent edition.

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            • preinheimer@phpc.socialP preinheimer@phpc.social

              If an "AI" company can sell you access to software that will replace a $250k/year software engineer. They're going to charge $249k/year for it.

              That's how capitalism works.

              Well, they're going to charge $20k/year at first, during the land rush phase. Wait for some competitors to die off. Keep it low a while longer to kill off the incumbents. Then it'll jump up a bunch, before finally being even more expensive than the original thing.

              See also: Uber & AirBnB.

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              @preinheimer @cbouvat and then: enshitification!

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              • preinheimer@phpc.socialP preinheimer@phpc.social

                If an "AI" company can sell you access to software that will replace a $250k/year software engineer. They're going to charge $249k/year for it.

                That's how capitalism works.

                Well, they're going to charge $20k/year at first, during the land rush phase. Wait for some competitors to die off. Keep it low a while longer to kill off the incumbents. Then it'll jump up a bunch, before finally being even more expensive than the original thing.

                See also: Uber & AirBnB.

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                @preinheimer

                Ehm, no? You're going to charge 250k/year as soon as that dude is fired as onboarding takes time.
                And the year after you charge double as there is nobody that knows how that stuff works anymore...

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                • tjbutt58@infosec.exchangeT tjbutt58@infosec.exchange

                  @davedave @preinheimer Hard copy only AFAIK, still in print. You want the most recent edition.

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                  @tjbutt58 @davedave @preinheimer

                  Adam Osborne wrote about it in Hypergrowth.

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                  • preinheimer@phpc.socialP preinheimer@phpc.social

                    If an "AI" company can sell you access to software that will replace a $250k/year software engineer. They're going to charge $249k/year for it.

                    That's how capitalism works.

                    Well, they're going to charge $20k/year at first, during the land rush phase. Wait for some competitors to die off. Keep it low a while longer to kill off the incumbents. Then it'll jump up a bunch, before finally being even more expensive than the original thing.

                    See also: Uber & AirBnB.

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                    @preinheimer enshittification

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                    • aj@gts.sadauskas.id.auA aj@gts.sadauskas.id.au

                      @adavid @spriebsch @preinheimer And we're still in the early phase of @pluralistic's enshittification cycle with AI.

                      The likes of Anthropic, OpenAI, Google, and Microsoft are still locking users and businesses into their platforms.

                      Tokens are being given away for free, even to people who don't want them.

                      The real rentseeking fun begins once everyone's locked into a platform.

                      For example, Imagine a world where most businesses run software created using Claude Code completely unchecked.

                      What's to stop Anthropic from pushing out a future update of Claude Code that routinely generates code that relies on Anthropic's proprietary APIs to work?

                      What's to stop Microsoft from pushing out a future update of Copilot that only works with customer data stored in Dynamics?

                      What's to stop Google from pushing out an update to Gemini where all the generated code is exclusively hosted in Google Cloud?

                      Why, suddenly you're not just paying for an AI tool that costs the equivalent of a developer's salary.

                      But also, if you ever stop paying the monthly rent, then your access to the proprietary APIs ends and all your software breaks. Or you lose access to your customer records. Or all the code you've ever generated, stored on the affiliated cloud platform, vanishes.

                      And beyond coding, there's many other ways these platforms could be enshittified for profit.

                      For example, if millions of people trust LLMs to manage their daily lives, then suddenly making sure AI agents answer a question like "What should I have for lunch today" with "a Big Mac" is worth billions of dollars to McDonald's.

                      Worst of all, if the cost of building out all the data centres and infrastructure is in the trillions, it limits the market to just a handful of players.

                      And any online platforms that use their APIs will have to pay an economic rent of their choosing.

                      I'm sure there's many other ways they're planning to use this to extract profits and build power.

                      That's why investors are willing to pour trillions into this thing.

                      It's not because they believe AGI is just around the corner.

                      It's because they believe that if enough people and businesses get locked in, they get to put a tax on everything.

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                      @aj

                      We need a room full of people like me who can code, but really badly! If it was prolific enough (& AI scraped), it would poison the LLM spring and AI would have to work a lot harder to gain trust. And hopefully, as a party bonus, pop the financial bubble of the AI freeloaders and comodifiers!

                      @adavid @spriebsch @preinheimer @pluralistic

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                        @davedave @tjbutt58 @preinheimer

                        You can download the third (latest) edition at https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/archive/rja14/book.html

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                        • preinheimer@phpc.socialP preinheimer@phpc.social

                          If an "AI" company can sell you access to software that will replace a $250k/year software engineer. They're going to charge $249k/year for it.

                          That's how capitalism works.

                          Well, they're going to charge $20k/year at first, during the land rush phase. Wait for some competitors to die off. Keep it low a while longer to kill off the incumbents. Then it'll jump up a bunch, before finally being even more expensive than the original thing.

                          See also: Uber & AirBnB.

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                          @preinheimer they will charge much more than 249k. Once your institutional knowledge is in the LLM its not coming out again. Even if you can find a new engineer, the LLM is not going to train him

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