@benroyce @stalbaum @Oldfartrant @courtcan
I think the easiest way to explain it is, remember Ross Perot? That’s how the right wing lost to Bill Clinton, the independent difference was split. Then remember The Tea Party and MAGA? That’s how the right wing took over the GOP, they replaced all the individual candidates with their own in the primaries, and stuck with a 50 state, up and down the ticket strategy. Even school boards. Behind the scenes, billionaires funded and organized the whole thing.

@stalbaum @Oldfartrant @courtcan

no

i want 3rd parties but to get 3rd parties we need ranked choice voting

rcv is creeping in, but until then we have to focus on taking over the democrats

in an FPTP voting system, we only have a choice between 2 parties

it's not corruption, it's just math

the left splintering into different parties is as fatal for us as leftists not voting

"you want us to support spineless democrats!"

no, i want us to show up in the fucking primaries and replace them

@suzannealdrich
Perot is the perfect example of why 3rd parties are a.non-starter anywhere outside of county-level races without some form.of RCV. He won basically 19% of the national popular vote and not a single EC vote out of it all. Over 99% of state and federal legislative and executive seats are won by either the Democratic or Republican nominee and not one 3rd party was on the ballot in all 50 states in 2024.
@benroyce @stalbaum @Oldfartrant @courtcan

@benroyce @stalbaum @Oldfartrant @courtcan Hm. An alternative voting system is not pragmatic -- though we should keep that vision -- and work within the system we have, and change or work against the system when it makes sense.

However, the Uncommitted movement showed us that Democratic Party leadership are incapable of listening to the constituents they pretend to represent when they are in power. Instead, they demanded our votes, and prioritized inviting in anti-Trump Republicans. That gave Trump what he wanted: A competing party that is right of center. We tried working within the party and it didn't work. And the party denied us from an electoral process that would have allowed us to have hard conversations resulting in a rallying base.

Federation through fragmentation is the path forward. We both need to find our people AND get out of our bubbles. But it will ultimately be the conservative Democrats who struggle to retain power that mess it up.

@baronvonj @suzannealdrich @stalbaum @Oldfartrant @courtcan

thus, all 3rd party voices in the USA are working for Putin or MAGA. or are embarrassingly uneducated about how our stupid FPTP system works. deeply cringe because it's not hard to understand

i want 3rd parties

to get 3rd parties we need ranked choice voting

until we get rcv, which makes 3rd parties viable, anyone voting 3rd party now in the USA on the left is helping MAGA win by dividing the left vote

that's the cold hard truth

@benroyce @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan you can tell yourself that, it is a long time #democrat whine and we all hear you

@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

tell myself what?

reality?

reality is merely a whine you say?

i despise centrist democrats

i am articulating how leftists can take over the dems

it's the only feasible way forward

you meanwhile have... feelings

your brain is AWOL

when you vote 3rd party, in our stupid FPTP system, you divide the left vote and hand MAGA a win

you are a MAGA supporter

not in thought, but in action, you are

stop being immature and fucking think