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Age Verification isn't a technical problem to solve.

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  • fennek@bark.lgbtF This user is from outside of this forum
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    @ben @Em0nM4stodon this. Parents have to check what their Kid do and not someone else. Of course you can miss something but for this you can teach your Kid how to use the Internet right. We all had to learn this too.

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    • 0x4d6165@transfem.social0 0x4d6165@transfem.social

      @Em0nM4stodon@infosec.exchange @Azarilh@mastodon.social what are your thoughts on bad faith whining?

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      @0x4d6165 @Em0nM4stodon How is it bad faith? I am genuinely confused at why it's ok to have age checks in person but not online. The Internet might not be physical, but it's still real life with real people.

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      • azarilh@mastodon.socialA azarilh@mastodon.social

        @Em0nM4stodon What do you think of age verification in bars before they give you the alcohol? Or age verification before they let you in a sex convention. /gen

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        @Azarilh @Em0nM4stodon how about getting yourself blocked? /gen

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        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

          Age Verification isn't a technical problem to solve. If you think that, you're missing the point.

          It's a social problem used by authoritarian governments as an excuse for population control and censorship.

          It's a fundamental attack on free speech and democracy.

          It must not be accommodated.
          It must be stopped.

          #MassSurveillance #AgeVerification #Privacy #Democracy #HumanRights

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          @Em0nM4stodon the first person project could solve a lot of these things in a privacy preserving way - but it is a hard technical, social problem to solve. http://firstperson.network/ - I think we need the trust layer of the internet - but in a way that also solves privacy.

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          • azarilh@mastodon.socialA azarilh@mastodon.social

            @0x4d6165 @Em0nM4stodon How is it bad faith? I am genuinely confused at why it's ok to have age checks in person but not online. The Internet might not be physical, but it's still real life with real people.

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            @0x4d6165 @Em0nM4stodon I love when people block for having a genuine question, instead of having a productive conversation. /s
            So silly.

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            • divverent@misskey.deD divverent@misskey.de
              @Em0nM4stodon@infosec.exchange There are technical solutions without mass surveillance.

              But I am not optimistic enough to believe those will be demanded.

              Specifically because of the lack of surveillance, and the lack of monopoly protection for big tech.

              Pretty sure big tech lobbyists are making sure the worst approaches possible get put into law. Not because they are evil per se, but because it strengthens their monopolies.
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              @divVerent @Em0nM4stodon

              You are missing the point.

              Gatekeeping access is also a problem. It's the end of free speech and free access to information and the freedom to associate.

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              • divverent@misskey.deD divverent@misskey.de
                @dalias@hachyderm.io But that's not gonna happen.

                So next I at least don't want children to be confronted with this abuse.

                The absolute minimum demand for technical changes to the internet I have is getting Do-Not-Track back. When set, platforms still must operate to its full extent but not perform any user behavior analysis for purposes such as content recommendation or targeted advertisement (they still should be allowed to track for abuse prevention but they must take and disclosure measures that such data is not used for any other purpose, not even used as training data for future AI models).
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                @divVerent @dalias@hachyderm.io

                The children will be confronted with so much if we don't solve issues with tech bros at the source.

                And soon enough everything will seem small compared to the climate catastrophe, which those tech bros have a big part in.

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                • azarilh@mastodon.socialA azarilh@mastodon.social

                  @0x4d6165 @Em0nM4stodon How is it bad faith? I am genuinely confused at why it's ok to have age checks in person but not online. The Internet might not be physical, but it's still real life with real people.

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                  @Azarilh@mastodon.social because showing a bouncer your ID is very obviously different from sending a picture of your ID to some random company's database where it can be stolen or used by authoritarian governments???

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                  • project1enigma@chaos.socialP project1enigma@chaos.social

                    @divVerent @dalias@hachyderm.io

                    The children will be confronted with so much if we don't solve issues with tech bros at the source.

                    And soon enough everything will seem small compared to the climate catastrophe, which those tech bros have a big part in.

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                    @divVerent And first results from Australia are in. Guess what. A net negative for kids.

                    It's not actually about kids in the first place.

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                    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                      Age Verification isn't a technical problem to solve. If you think that, you're missing the point.

                      It's a social problem used by authoritarian governments as an excuse for population control and censorship.

                      It's a fundamental attack on free speech and democracy.

                      It must not be accommodated.
                      It must be stopped.

                      #MassSurveillance #AgeVerification #Privacy #Democracy #HumanRights

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                      @Em0nM4stodon

                      It is all about surveillance. Protecting children from serious harm on the Internet involves stopped malicious adults accessing child services, not stopping children accessing adult services.

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