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Is it still worth releasing music for DIY/independent artists?

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  • elifyalvac@tldr.nettime.orgE elifyalvac@tldr.nettime.org

    Is it still worth releasing music for DIY/independent artists? Why?

    I don’t have a yes or no answer yet. I’m questioning… if you have an answer please can you explain it? Thanks!

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    @elifyalvac i think it's good to share your practice. releasing stuff can also serve archival purposes. And sometimes you get a couple bucks for it!

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    • elifyalvac@tldr.nettime.orgE elifyalvac@tldr.nettime.org

      Is it still worth releasing music for DIY/independent artists? Why?

      I don’t have a yes or no answer yet. I’m questioning… if you have an answer please can you explain it? Thanks!

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      @elifyalvac 1000% yes. For starters, most of the music I buy is pretty much DIY, indie, or somehow adjacent.

      Also- releasing music, especially as albums/EPs, preserves a great way of presenting your work in contrast to the "album being dead" in the streaming era.

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      • elifyalvac@tldr.nettime.orgE elifyalvac@tldr.nettime.org

        Is it still worth releasing music for DIY/independent artists? Why?

        I don’t have a yes or no answer yet. I’m questioning… if you have an answer please can you explain it? Thanks!

        fstateaudio@mastodon.sdf.orgF This user is from outside of this forum
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        @elifyalvac I voted "yes," because I think it's part of building the world we want to live in. I suppose I should specify that I don't think releasing stuff through corporate surveillance platforms is worth much (that is, not much of anything good), but I do think building and contributing to alternate platforms that could be the beginning of something better is worth quite a lot. I'll include Bandcamp in my "yes" because even tho it's part of the "old way," it has been kind of a stepping stone.

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        • elifyalvac@tldr.nettime.orgE elifyalvac@tldr.nettime.org

          Is it still worth releasing music for DIY/independent artists? Why?

          I don’t have a yes or no answer yet. I’m questioning… if you have an answer please can you explain it? Thanks!

          dried@sonomu.clubD This user is from outside of this forum
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          @elifyalvac Yes with a few considerations:

          - worth it if you want people to listen to your music as a release (doesn't suit all modes of music presentation but maybe it's important to how you want the music to be approached)
          - maybe worth it as a marketing tool (increased / repeated visibility, affirms your status as a musician who releases music, etc)
          - maybe worth it to appeal to music industry funding bodies who want to see certain types / volumes of recent activity

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          • elifyalvac@tldr.nettime.orgE elifyalvac@tldr.nettime.org

            Is it still worth releasing music for DIY/independent artists? Why?

            I don’t have a yes or no answer yet. I’m questioning… if you have an answer please can you explain it? Thanks!

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            @elifyalvac you decide, but...
            its good to share something you want to share - as simple as that. its not even about "worth it" - its about doing it for the sake of doing it.
            sharing emotions/memories/etc
            you should not pressure yourself into not releasing something/releasing something tho. just do what you think is right for you
            sometimes even just sharing raw snippets with friends is ok enough for me eh

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            • elifyalvac@tldr.nettime.orgE elifyalvac@tldr.nettime.org

              Is it still worth releasing music for DIY/independent artists? Why?

              I don’t have a yes or no answer yet. I’m questioning… if you have an answer please can you explain it? Thanks!

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              @elifyalvac yes, but not all the music and not all the time. It's worthwhile to build your catalogue but everything published will have a life of its own. Also, there is more than 120 000 tracks published daily so there is no real need for more tracks.

              However, publishing is a good practice as suggested also by others. It forces you to develop your musical ideas and that's a good muscle to train.

              I also think it's fine to have some aces in the sleeve for a different publishing mode.

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              • toffo@mastodon.socialT toffo@mastodon.social

                @elifyalvac you decide, but...
                its good to share something you want to share - as simple as that. its not even about "worth it" - its about doing it for the sake of doing it.
                sharing emotions/memories/etc
                you should not pressure yourself into not releasing something/releasing something tho. just do what you think is right for you
                sometimes even just sharing raw snippets with friends is ok enough for me eh

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                @toffo Nice perspective. Thanks. I was asking this more in the context of “too much music”, though. There is too much being shared and put around already. so many things get lost in the crowd. I am always motivated to share my music but I am concerned about potentially adding to bombardment of content people have to see

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                • elifyalvac@tldr.nettime.orgE elifyalvac@tldr.nettime.org

                  @toffo Nice perspective. Thanks. I was asking this more in the context of “too much music”, though. There is too much being shared and put around already. so many things get lost in the crowd. I am always motivated to share my music but I am concerned about potentially adding to bombardment of content people have to see

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                  @toffo almost like leaving a footprint behind kind of thing but I don’t always feel that ofc. Otherwise, I wouldn’t put stuff out

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                  • dried@sonomu.clubD dried@sonomu.club

                    @elifyalvac Yes with a few considerations:

                    - worth it if you want people to listen to your music as a release (doesn't suit all modes of music presentation but maybe it's important to how you want the music to be approached)
                    - maybe worth it as a marketing tool (increased / repeated visibility, affirms your status as a musician who releases music, etc)
                    - maybe worth it to appeal to music industry funding bodies who want to see certain types / volumes of recent activity

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                    @dried Having released music helped me change my life when it was released by a label, changing many things for me including finally changing where I live but I won’t go into too much detail into it. I agree. although a bit unsure about the 2nd part as I am sick and tired of The Wire magazine putting the same stuff all the time

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                    • elifyalvac@tldr.nettime.orgE elifyalvac@tldr.nettime.org

                      Is it still worth releasing music for DIY/independent artists? Why?

                      I don’t have a yes or no answer yet. I’m questioning… if you have an answer please can you explain it? Thanks!

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                      @elifyalvac I vote yes. Partially because I enjoy the process of creating releases - creating the running order, making the artwork, etc. That’s a highly enjoyable thing for me. Philosophically, I think it’s more to do with the act of creation and putting things out into the world. Music is a form of communication, and even if the audience is limited, you’re always looking to make that connection, which you can’t do if your music is confined to your own speakers.

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                      • elifyalvac@tldr.nettime.orgE elifyalvac@tldr.nettime.org

                        Is it still worth releasing music for DIY/independent artists? Why?

                        I don’t have a yes or no answer yet. I’m questioning… if you have an answer please can you explain it? Thanks!

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                        @elifyalvac When I look back on my career, the releases I have made, has become highlights of the periods it's released in. And I have periods where I wouldn't release anything, because why should I when it wouldn't sell. But I sooo regret.

                        You can release for others as a DIY artist, but you should actually mostly do it for yourself. Making a release means taking decisions: Where am I now, what's important for me and how would I like to share it. It's the best way to remember your development.

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                        • elifyalvac@tldr.nettime.orgE elifyalvac@tldr.nettime.org

                          @toffo Nice perspective. Thanks. I was asking this more in the context of “too much music”, though. There is too much being shared and put around already. so many things get lost in the crowd. I am always motivated to share my music but I am concerned about potentially adding to bombardment of content people have to see

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                          @elifyalvac @toffo I’m interested in this concept of “too much”. To me, one of the joys of music is that there is SO MUCH out there, more than I will ever hear all of. And music comes forth from me constantly. I know that it’s likely my own music won’t reach many ears that might enjoy it, but to worry about taking peoples attention away from your art feels like a devaluation of your art.

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                          • elifyalvac@tldr.nettime.orgE elifyalvac@tldr.nettime.org

                            @toffo Nice perspective. Thanks. I was asking this more in the context of “too much music”, though. There is too much being shared and put around already. so many things get lost in the crowd. I am always motivated to share my music but I am concerned about potentially adding to bombardment of content people have to see

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                            @elifyalvac oh, so..
                            yeah it still makes sense. the more music you have - the better.
                            it gives people choice on what they want to listen to, after all.
                            every artist will eventually find sokeone who likes their stuff - good for both sides i think?

                            its hard in general but becomes easier when you realise that some people are more than willing to find your stuff

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                            • logickal@ravenation.clubL logickal@ravenation.club

                              @elifyalvac @toffo I’m interested in this concept of “too much”. To me, one of the joys of music is that there is SO MUCH out there, more than I will ever hear all of. And music comes forth from me constantly. I know that it’s likely my own music won’t reach many ears that might enjoy it, but to worry about taking peoples attention away from your art feels like a devaluation of your art.

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                              @logickal @elifyalvac yeah thank you thats kinda the way i want to word it but being fatigued doesnt help with communication at all

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                              • mosgaard@uddannelse.socialM mosgaard@uddannelse.social

                                @elifyalvac When I look back on my career, the releases I have made, has become highlights of the periods it's released in. And I have periods where I wouldn't release anything, because why should I when it wouldn't sell. But I sooo regret.

                                You can release for others as a DIY artist, but you should actually mostly do it for yourself. Making a release means taking decisions: Where am I now, what's important for me and how would I like to share it. It's the best way to remember your development.

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                                @elifyalvac what really made me think of this, was the story of danish composer Tekla Griebel Wandall: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tekla_Griebel-Wandall

                                She had some acceptance when she lived (late 1800th start 1900th hundred), but not in anyway to the extent she should been have given. Luckily for us today, she knew this, and during her life she collected letters, articles, reviews, sheetpaper, released music and more, and saved it all in a box, for when people would remember her - and wanted to read about her work.

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                                • logickal@ravenation.clubL logickal@ravenation.club

                                  @elifyalvac @toffo I’m interested in this concept of “too much”. To me, one of the joys of music is that there is SO MUCH out there, more than I will ever hear all of. And music comes forth from me constantly. I know that it’s likely my own music won’t reach many ears that might enjoy it, but to worry about taking peoples attention away from your art feels like a devaluation of your art.

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                                  @logickal 💯 @toffo

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                                  • fstateaudio@mastodon.sdf.orgF fstateaudio@mastodon.sdf.org

                                    @elifyalvac I voted "yes," because I think it's part of building the world we want to live in. I suppose I should specify that I don't think releasing stuff through corporate surveillance platforms is worth much (that is, not much of anything good), but I do think building and contributing to alternate platforms that could be the beginning of something better is worth quite a lot. I'll include Bandcamp in my "yes" because even tho it's part of the "old way," it has been kind of a stepping stone.

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                                    @fstateaudio yeah and it can be a nice way of bonding with others. and i like my bandcamp collection. your 1st point about shitty platforms 200% agreed

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                                    • mosgaard@uddannelse.socialM mosgaard@uddannelse.social

                                      @elifyalvac what really made me think of this, was the story of danish composer Tekla Griebel Wandall: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tekla_Griebel-Wandall

                                      She had some acceptance when she lived (late 1800th start 1900th hundred), but not in anyway to the extent she should been have given. Luckily for us today, she knew this, and during her life she collected letters, articles, reviews, sheetpaper, released music and more, and saved it all in a box, for when people would remember her - and wanted to read about her work.

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                                      @elifyalvac last year, for the first time, a version of her Opera Kong Roars Skjalde was performed.

                                      This opera took her 30 years to write, and more than a 100 years before someone found it suitable for concert.

                                      I have so much respect for the trust she had in her work, and it has really inspired me, to start making an archive of my own (not that I presume someone will do an opera 100 years from now, that I write during the next 30 years).

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                                      • logickal@ravenation.clubL logickal@ravenation.club

                                        @elifyalvac I vote yes. Partially because I enjoy the process of creating releases - creating the running order, making the artwork, etc. That’s a highly enjoyable thing for me. Philosophically, I think it’s more to do with the act of creation and putting things out into the world. Music is a form of communication, and even if the audience is limited, you’re always looking to make that connection, which you can’t do if your music is confined to your own speakers.

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                                        @logickal much to enjoy as a journey, creatively, and just that can be rewarding. and definitely— i made some of must most special connections through that way of communicating initially, including my partner

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                                        • elifyalvac@tldr.nettime.orgE elifyalvac@tldr.nettime.org

                                          @fstateaudio yeah and it can be a nice way of bonding with others. and i like my bandcamp collection. your 1st point about shitty platforms 200% agreed

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                                          @elifyalvac That's a good point too. I doubt very much that I'd have made as many music friends if I wasn't releasing stuff, because I'd probably just hide in my cave without that reason not to lol.

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