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There’s functionally no engineering reason to put a robot on two legs.

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  • daojoan@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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    There’s functionally no engineering reason to put a robot on two legs. Every other form factor is cheaper, more stable, more efficient, and easier to maintain.

    There is, however, a very good marketing reason: everyone’s watched Terminator, fear goes viral, and anxiety drives attention.

    A warehouse robot is infrastructure.

    A humanoid robot is an engagement strategy…

    sortius@infosec.exchangeS uecker@mastodon.socialU xs4me2@mastodon.socialX n_dimension@infosec.exchangeN uair@autistics.lifeU 16 Replies Last reply
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    • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

      There’s functionally no engineering reason to put a robot on two legs. Every other form factor is cheaper, more stable, more efficient, and easier to maintain.

      There is, however, a very good marketing reason: everyone’s watched Terminator, fear goes viral, and anxiety drives attention.

      A warehouse robot is infrastructure.

      A humanoid robot is an engagement strategy…

      sortius@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
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      @Daojoan yep, decades of insane non-humanoid robots at universities, tracked military robots (with weapons), and airborne robots we call "drones", but a weird race is run in China and people freak out

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      • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

        There’s functionally no engineering reason to put a robot on two legs. Every other form factor is cheaper, more stable, more efficient, and easier to maintain.

        There is, however, a very good marketing reason: everyone’s watched Terminator, fear goes viral, and anxiety drives attention.

        A warehouse robot is infrastructure.

        A humanoid robot is an engagement strategy…

        uecker@mastodon.socialU This user is from outside of this forum
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        @Daojoan The argument is that they should be able to get around in a world designed for humans with two legs, and the argument is plausible.

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        • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

          There’s functionally no engineering reason to put a robot on two legs. Every other form factor is cheaper, more stable, more efficient, and easier to maintain.

          There is, however, a very good marketing reason: everyone’s watched Terminator, fear goes viral, and anxiety drives attention.

          A warehouse robot is infrastructure.

          A humanoid robot is an engagement strategy…

          xs4me2@mastodon.socialX This user is from outside of this forum
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          @Daojoan

          It is our desire to play God...

          Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them."

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          • xs4me2@mastodon.socialX xs4me2@mastodon.social

            @Daojoan

            It is our desire to play God...

            Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them."

            firekeeper@b0nfire.xyzF This user is from outside of this forum
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            It is our desire to play God...
            "So God created man in his own image"
            The irony of being a skeptic is that the reverse is true.

            CC: @Daojoan@mastodon.social
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            • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

              There’s functionally no engineering reason to put a robot on two legs. Every other form factor is cheaper, more stable, more efficient, and easier to maintain.

              There is, however, a very good marketing reason: everyone’s watched Terminator, fear goes viral, and anxiety drives attention.

              A warehouse robot is infrastructure.

              A humanoid robot is an engagement strategy…

              n_dimension@infosec.exchangeN This user is from outside of this forum
              n_dimension@infosec.exchangeN This user is from outside of this forum
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              @Daojoan

              Aaakshully

              Two legs makes sense.

              1. Minimum suspension mats (vs tripod or quad+)

              2. Nature doesn't do wheels.

              3. There are other ground propulsion methods (wigglies etc) but not fast.

              4. Once you got the balance software going, legs are super fast.

              5. You could have alternatives, but they are medium specific (arboreal, hydrous), legs are universal.

              6. Flight has specific downsides mass/energy also medium specific

              Just about the only half decent alternative is snake.
              But legs > snake

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              • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                There’s functionally no engineering reason to put a robot on two legs. Every other form factor is cheaper, more stable, more efficient, and easier to maintain.

                There is, however, a very good marketing reason: everyone’s watched Terminator, fear goes viral, and anxiety drives attention.

                A warehouse robot is infrastructure.

                A humanoid robot is an engagement strategy…

                uair@autistics.lifeU This user is from outside of this forum
                uair@autistics.lifeU This user is from outside of this forum
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                @Daojoan

                I bet they can by now, but the last time I checked with people who would know, it wasn't yet possible to build a robot that could catch anything but a perfectly thrown ball. Without requiring mobility, can a robotic arm catch a ball traveling at, say, 20km/hr through a 1m x 1m window?

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                • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                  There’s functionally no engineering reason to put a robot on two legs. Every other form factor is cheaper, more stable, more efficient, and easier to maintain.

                  There is, however, a very good marketing reason: everyone’s watched Terminator, fear goes viral, and anxiety drives attention.

                  A warehouse robot is infrastructure.

                  A humanoid robot is an engagement strategy…

                  schwa@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @Daojoan oh yes the constant videos of biped robots falling over in amusing ways is driving fear into our hearts. Fear that will *something something* sell more robots!

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                  • uecker@mastodon.socialU uecker@mastodon.social

                    @Daojoan The argument is that they should be able to get around in a world designed for humans with two legs, and the argument is plausible.

                    schwa@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @uecker @Daojoan and they’re getting very good at biped robots now. Compared to say 5 years ago…

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                    • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                      There’s functionally no engineering reason to put a robot on two legs. Every other form factor is cheaper, more stable, more efficient, and easier to maintain.

                      There is, however, a very good marketing reason: everyone’s watched Terminator, fear goes viral, and anxiety drives attention.

                      A warehouse robot is infrastructure.

                      A humanoid robot is an engagement strategy…

                      drahardja@sfba.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @Daojoan It’s more than engagement IMO. It’s an attempt to directly devalue human worth.

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                      Robots should not look like people

                      We already live among robots; machines that autonomously relieve us of tedious chores have existed for more than a century. But none of these robots look like people; and that’s for a good reason: their shape is dictated by their purpose.

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                      • n_dimension@infosec.exchangeN n_dimension@infosec.exchange

                        @Daojoan

                        Aaakshully

                        Two legs makes sense.

                        1. Minimum suspension mats (vs tripod or quad+)

                        2. Nature doesn't do wheels.

                        3. There are other ground propulsion methods (wigglies etc) but not fast.

                        4. Once you got the balance software going, legs are super fast.

                        5. You could have alternatives, but they are medium specific (arboreal, hydrous), legs are universal.

                        6. Flight has specific downsides mass/energy also medium specific

                        Just about the only half decent alternative is snake.
                        But legs > snake

                        fluchtkapsel@nerdculture.deF This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @n_dimension @Daojoan I'd say crabs instead of snakes. The crabbification must have some good reasons.

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                        • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                          There’s functionally no engineering reason to put a robot on two legs. Every other form factor is cheaper, more stable, more efficient, and easier to maintain.

                          There is, however, a very good marketing reason: everyone’s watched Terminator, fear goes viral, and anxiety drives attention.

                          A warehouse robot is infrastructure.

                          A humanoid robot is an engagement strategy…

                          grootinside@troet.cafeG This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @Daojoan
                          There is an interesting mixture of videos with ridiculously failing androids...
                          and astonishing abilities of others.
                          In one sort they look harmless and acceptable clumsy, even adorable mainly because of their human shape.
                          In another way they look very ..useful.

                          None of this should distract from their frighteningly rapid development.
                          None of this should distract from the question of who could benefit from their future capabilities and mass production.

                          #Armament #followthemoney

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                          • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                            There’s functionally no engineering reason to put a robot on two legs. Every other form factor is cheaper, more stable, more efficient, and easier to maintain.

                            There is, however, a very good marketing reason: everyone’s watched Terminator, fear goes viral, and anxiety drives attention.

                            A warehouse robot is infrastructure.

                            A humanoid robot is an engagement strategy…

                            rollspelosofen@mastodon.nuR This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @Daojoan A bipedal design is hardly efficient for what we're trying to use robots for today.

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                            • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                              There’s functionally no engineering reason to put a robot on two legs. Every other form factor is cheaper, more stable, more efficient, and easier to maintain.

                              There is, however, a very good marketing reason: everyone’s watched Terminator, fear goes viral, and anxiety drives attention.

                              A warehouse robot is infrastructure.

                              A humanoid robot is an engagement strategy…

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                              @Daojoan Those gizmos that open greenhouse windows wider depending on temperature/sunlight are pretty cool (and purely passive, with no "intelligence" at all)

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                              • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                                There’s functionally no engineering reason to put a robot on two legs. Every other form factor is cheaper, more stable, more efficient, and easier to maintain.

                                There is, however, a very good marketing reason: everyone’s watched Terminator, fear goes viral, and anxiety drives attention.

                                A warehouse robot is infrastructure.

                                A humanoid robot is an engagement strategy…

                                bit@ohai.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @Daojoan There is one reason. Robots will often have to work in a space designed by humans for humans, so they will need to mimic humans. Big companies have the money to create infrastructure that fits robots better. China has entire factories run by robots, where they work 24/7 with lights off. Amazon has warehouses that are completely flat, and riddled with guidelines and tracks on the floor. Not every company will have such infrastructure, so they'll need robots that can climb stairs instead.

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                                • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                                  There’s functionally no engineering reason to put a robot on two legs. Every other form factor is cheaper, more stable, more efficient, and easier to maintain.

                                  There is, however, a very good marketing reason: everyone’s watched Terminator, fear goes viral, and anxiety drives attention.

                                  A warehouse robot is infrastructure.

                                  A humanoid robot is an engagement strategy…

                                  duskyelf@mas.toD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @Daojoan a lot of the engineers take ideas from fiction as well : )

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                                  • n_dimension@infosec.exchangeN n_dimension@infosec.exchange

                                    @Daojoan

                                    Aaakshully

                                    Two legs makes sense.

                                    1. Minimum suspension mats (vs tripod or quad+)

                                    2. Nature doesn't do wheels.

                                    3. There are other ground propulsion methods (wigglies etc) but not fast.

                                    4. Once you got the balance software going, legs are super fast.

                                    5. You could have alternatives, but they are medium specific (arboreal, hydrous), legs are universal.

                                    6. Flight has specific downsides mass/energy also medium specific

                                    Just about the only half decent alternative is snake.
                                    But legs > snake

                                    ehproque@neopaquita.esE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @n_dimension @Daojoan there must be a good reason for most mammals to be four legged

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                                    • ehproque@neopaquita.esE ehproque@neopaquita.es

                                      @n_dimension @Daojoan there must be a good reason for most mammals to be four legged

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                                      @ehproque @Daojoan

                                      Good point!

                                      In my most authoritative , though uninformed voice I will assert that's because;

                                      a) Balance software not so good
                                      b) Faster
                                      c) Claws/Hooves can attack while relatively stable.

                                      Human "forelimbs" evolved for grasping.

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                                      • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                                        There’s functionally no engineering reason to put a robot on two legs. Every other form factor is cheaper, more stable, more efficient, and easier to maintain.

                                        There is, however, a very good marketing reason: everyone’s watched Terminator, fear goes viral, and anxiety drives attention.

                                        A warehouse robot is infrastructure.

                                        A humanoid robot is an engagement strategy…

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                                        @Daojoan

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                                        • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                                          There’s functionally no engineering reason to put a robot on two legs. Every other form factor is cheaper, more stable, more efficient, and easier to maintain.

                                          There is, however, a very good marketing reason: everyone’s watched Terminator, fear goes viral, and anxiety drives attention.

                                          A warehouse robot is infrastructure.

                                          A humanoid robot is an engagement strategy…

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                                          @Daojoan

                                          I always cringe at illustrations of “office AI assistants”. Humanoid robots who look at a big monitor and does input using a keyboard and mouse. JUST USE THE USB-C CONNECTOR ALREADY!!!

                                          Of course, they are almost always white and the female bots have nice boobs. So infantilising.

                                          Sarah Connor’s biggest mistake was failing to develop military grade glue guns. The first robot uprising would have been too sticky to do much damage 😁

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