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Talking to my 8-year-old about my upcoming Way Too Big Blog Post About genAI.

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  • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

    I want to be clear that this is pretty divorced from my own views of likely scenarios, even likely nightmare scenarios, so they're not getting this from me.

    If you're reading this and you're involved in LLM hype, I'd really like you to take a moment to pause and examine the fact that this is the commonly accepted peer wisdom in a 2nd-grade classroom right now. That their parents' generation is actively involved in betraying them to a distant and inscrutable machine-god of pure greed.

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    @glyph Yeah this... does not sound like the sort of thing they'd get from you, which, makes this way more horrifying, honestly.

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    • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

      Talking to my 8-year-old about my upcoming Way Too Big Blog Post About genAI. I explain that my goal is to describe why I think it's bad, because it's really complicated and hard to understand, and so I don't blame people who disagree.

      They ask, matter-of-factly, "Oh, are you trying to get people to stop using it because if they don't stop then by the time my generation grows up, nobody will have jobs any more and everyone will be poor because AI will just do everything and keep all the money?"

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      @glyph

      ADULT: see the thing is it's really complicated

      SECOND GRADER: is it, though?

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      • miss_rodent@girlcock.clubM miss_rodent@girlcock.club

        @glyph Yeah this... does not sound like the sort of thing they'd get from you, which, makes this way more horrifying, honestly.

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        @glyph At least I had the relative luxury of not realizing my parent's generation was trying to ruin the world and leave us living in a dystopian hellscape until I was 10 when 9/11 happened.

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        • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

          Talking to my 8-year-old about my upcoming Way Too Big Blog Post About genAI. I explain that my goal is to describe why I think it's bad, because it's really complicated and hard to understand, and so I don't blame people who disagree.

          They ask, matter-of-factly, "Oh, are you trying to get people to stop using it because if they don't stop then by the time my generation grows up, nobody will have jobs any more and everyone will be poor because AI will just do everything and keep all the money?"

          codinghorror@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
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          @glyph how do we stop people from being lazy? It's not exactly a simple problem.

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          • codinghorror@infosec.exchangeC codinghorror@infosec.exchange

            @glyph how do we stop people from being lazy? It's not exactly a simple problem.

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            @codinghorror step 1, acknowledge that this is always a misframing of the problem https://www.amazon.com/Laziness-Exist-Devon-Price-Ph-D/dp/1982140100

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            • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

              @codinghorror step 1, acknowledge that this is always a misframing of the problem https://www.amazon.com/Laziness-Exist-Devon-Price-Ph-D/dp/1982140100

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              @codinghorror I always love to plug this book and the idea behind it but to be honest in this case I'm not even sure how "laziness" leads to any part of this outcome? This perception is the predictable output of doom-grifters preying upon laypeople to produce anxiety to fuel hype.

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              • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                Talking to my 8-year-old about my upcoming Way Too Big Blog Post About genAI. I explain that my goal is to describe why I think it's bad, because it's really complicated and hard to understand, and so I don't blame people who disagree.

                They ask, matter-of-factly, "Oh, are you trying to get people to stop using it because if they don't stop then by the time my generation grows up, nobody will have jobs any more and everyone will be poor because AI will just do everything and keep all the money?"

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                @glyph If ai turns out capable of doing all the work and keeping all the money, I'll volunteer to personally lead the revolt, seize the ai that does all the work, and use it to set us all free instead. Then we can all do whatever we fancy rather than working all the time.

                Sadly that's not a likely outcome. The ai isn't going to be able to do all the work and the ai owners will have to back pedal on their promises and continue using human labor.

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                • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                  I want to be clear that this is pretty divorced from my own views of likely scenarios, even likely nightmare scenarios, so they're not getting this from me.

                  If you're reading this and you're involved in LLM hype, I'd really like you to take a moment to pause and examine the fact that this is the commonly accepted peer wisdom in a 2nd-grade classroom right now. That their parents' generation is actively involved in betraying them to a distant and inscrutable machine-god of pure greed.

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                  @glyph So, uh, the machine god of capitalism?

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                  • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                    Talking to my 8-year-old about my upcoming Way Too Big Blog Post About genAI. I explain that my goal is to describe why I think it's bad, because it's really complicated and hard to understand, and so I don't blame people who disagree.

                    They ask, matter-of-factly, "Oh, are you trying to get people to stop using it because if they don't stop then by the time my generation grows up, nobody will have jobs any more and everyone will be poor because AI will just do everything and keep all the money?"

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                    @glyph Yup that’s what an eight year old would say 😹 (no seriously, I was that eight year old myself when I was eight years old 😬)

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                    • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                      I want to be clear that this is pretty divorced from my own views of likely scenarios, even likely nightmare scenarios, so they're not getting this from me.

                      If you're reading this and you're involved in LLM hype, I'd really like you to take a moment to pause and examine the fact that this is the commonly accepted peer wisdom in a 2nd-grade classroom right now. That their parents' generation is actively involved in betraying them to a distant and inscrutable machine-god of pure greed.

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                      @glyph I'm all for regulating and managing AI but as with all things tech, it's the greedy corporations that have made tech accessible only to certain (paying) tiers. These corps are solely in it for the profit and control. Same goes for social networks, search engines, smartphones/computers, operating systems and the lot. The general public must fight back by using open source services or supporting those organisations (even for-profit ones) that place public benefit above profit. Just my 2¢

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                      • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                        Talking to my 8-year-old about my upcoming Way Too Big Blog Post About genAI. I explain that my goal is to describe why I think it's bad, because it's really complicated and hard to understand, and so I don't blame people who disagree.

                        They ask, matter-of-factly, "Oh, are you trying to get people to stop using it because if they don't stop then by the time my generation grows up, nobody will have jobs any more and everyone will be poor because AI will just do everything and keep all the money?"

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                        @glyph “Hey, remember how we all got upset at boomers for mortgaging our future to keep themselves comfortable a little longer? Maybe don’t be like them.”

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                        • codinghorror@infosec.exchangeC codinghorror@infosec.exchange

                          @glyph how do we stop people from being lazy? It's not exactly a simple problem.

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                          @codinghorror
                          @glyph
                          Deeply shared feeling.
                          I had this serious discussion with a colleague about code review: when I ask him to review my code, I want him to have a serious look... not his claude even if he "validated" claude's review. The goal is him to get to know (and eventually crush) my code.

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                          • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                            I want to be clear that this is pretty divorced from my own views of likely scenarios, even likely nightmare scenarios, so they're not getting this from me.

                            If you're reading this and you're involved in LLM hype, I'd really like you to take a moment to pause and examine the fact that this is the commonly accepted peer wisdom in a 2nd-grade classroom right now. That their parents' generation is actively involved in betraying them to a distant and inscrutable machine-god of pure greed.

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                            @glyph i more or less remember thinking and saying things like that when i was a second grader but about pollution and cars and those plastic six pack things that I'm shocked aren't banned yet instead. kids know what the score is

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                            • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                              I want to be clear that this is pretty divorced from my own views of likely scenarios, even likely nightmare scenarios, so they're not getting this from me.

                              If you're reading this and you're involved in LLM hype, I'd really like you to take a moment to pause and examine the fact that this is the commonly accepted peer wisdom in a 2nd-grade classroom right now. That their parents' generation is actively involved in betraying them to a distant and inscrutable machine-god of pure greed.

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                              @glyph

                              "their parents' generation is actively involved in betraying them to a distant and inscrutable machine-god of pure greed."

                              They're not wrong.

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