Many countries have nuclear weapons and all of them make me uncomfortable.
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@futurebird By my recollection, the evidence that Iran made plans to build nuclear weapons all dates from _after_ G. W. Bush threatened them with nuclear bombardment.
Lots of people want to have bombs. I don't really understand why I should care about this particular one. They seem no more or less trustworthy than the rest.
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I think I'm being gaslit by the media into feeling like this is too complicated for me to understand when it's really very simple. Nothing the US is doing is about pursuing peace, or making the lives of any ordinary person in any country especially the US any better.
These guys are excited to have control of the US military and all of that power and are just making up excuses to do things with it.
There is no justification. No benefit.
@futurebird Oh, I'm sure that there's a bunch of other reasons in there, too from various parties. I just don't know whether those are at the forefront of the "reasoning" of the decision-makers, or just in the minds of the people feeding them ideas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_Iran
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/science/why-venezuela-has-more-oil-than-any-country-on-earth/articleshow/128499683.cms -
@futurebird Oh, I'm sure that there's a bunch of other reasons in there, too from various parties. I just don't know whether those are at the forefront of the "reasoning" of the decision-makers, or just in the minds of the people feeding them ideas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_Iran
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/science/why-venezuela-has-more-oil-than-any-country-on-earth/articleshow/128499683.cms"follow the money" is often a good way to understand the truth.
But I don't even think this makes sense from that standpoint. Not totally.
This is more like what would happen if you gave me a big box of fireworks and told me to "keep them safe"
After a few weeks you'd hear the cracks and booms of me setting them off just to see what happened.
only, this is a lot less fun.
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OK but when you start there someone pops out from behind a tree and calls you an unamerican peace-nick.
And then, because I am very anti-war and probably a peace-nick or whatever that gives me pause and by then they have started six more wars.
Why does "you hippie, you want the US to be weak" shut down the conversation? What they are doing still makes no sense. Even if you love nonsense like "the strategic application of force."
@futurebird I'd say fuck off to every little narrow minded usanian with that spinned, twisted rethoric. I got tired of justifying myself to avoid straw man attacks for stating the obvious.
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OK but when you start there someone pops out from behind a tree and calls you an unamerican peace-nick.
And then, because I am very anti-war and probably a peace-nick or whatever that gives me pause and by then they have started six more wars.
Why does "you hippie, you want the US to be weak" shut down the conversation? What they are doing still makes no sense. Even if you love nonsense like "the strategic application of force."
Do I want the US to be weak?
This is such an out of context, notion that it short circuits my brain. It's so far from anything I'm thinking about at all.
I would like to NOT die in a fire please. I would like there to be fewer wars. I would like the manufacture of weapons designed to kill people in the tens of thousands to be unprofitable since they have so few applications.
We could manufacture other things instead.
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Most people are not paying attention. I think they have realized that.
But we could change this I think.
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I think I'm being gaslit by the media into feeling like this is too complicated for me to understand when it's really very simple. Nothing the US is doing is about pursuing peace, or making the lives of any ordinary person in any country especially the US any better.
These guys are excited to have control of the US military and all of that power and are just making up excuses to do things with it.
There is no justification. No benefit.
@futurebird people living through that collapse of eastern europe & estern germany say: to stay in power you need more power, so everything authoritarians do only has one purpose: consolidate power. they told me never to forget this re:trump.
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I think I'm being gaslit by the media into feeling like this is too complicated for me to understand when it's really very simple. Nothing the US is doing is about pursuing peace, or making the lives of any ordinary person in any country especially the US any better.
These guys are excited to have control of the US military and all of that power and are just making up excuses to do things with it.
There is no justification. No benefit.
@futurebird zero sum gangsters with daddy issues. There will never be enough to fill the void inside them https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/116147593290228667
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@rood @futurebird given the fact the US is constantly involved in attacks on other countries and that the US weapons budget is so ginormous, weapons R&D and battle testing is regularly in full tilt. Exercises don't test weapons (and the military) like concrete military actions do. Something russia has found out in Ukraine, something the EU/rest of NATO needs to be aware of (and seems to be).
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@rood @futurebird given the fact the US is constantly involved in attacks on other countries and that the US weapons budget is so ginormous, weapons R&D and battle testing is regularly in full tilt. Exercises don't test weapons (and the military) like concrete military actions do. Something russia has found out in Ukraine, something the EU/rest of NATO needs to be aware of (and seems to be).
80 years of the US "interventions" and losing every time hasn't taught most Americans anything yet...
@futurebird Yes you are being gaslit---you are not naive
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@FediThing the Orange Caligula crowd doesn't need to be convinced, their King can do as he pleases.
His handlers want this so they can harvest oil reserves, like they did with Venezuela, and eliminate a regional actor from doing what they can, like limiting access to their national exclusive waters on the Persian Gulf - apart from all the "sword brandishing" around "Death to Country this and that" and alleged terrorism financing/support/training.
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@futurebird By my recollection, the evidence that Iran made plans to build nuclear weapons all dates from _after_ G. W. Bush threatened them with nuclear bombardment.
@futurebird IMHO, the 'why' has a lot to do with Iran being an energy exporter at a time when the US exports a great deal of energy and also seized control of Venezuelan exports. It makes Russian & Saudi exports more valuable as well.
But also, a reason why Trumpists want to nix intl law & human rights is bc bodies like the UN refused to lie about Iraq & Iran nuclear inspections. They desperately want working class people to accept the lies and fight each other.
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Most people are not paying attention. I think they have realized that.
But we could change this I think.
@futurebird @FediThing it was pretty clear the negotiations didn't yield the results the admin expected though (realistic or not), so many people are unsurprised by the escalation, and certainly the iranian gov isn't either.
recent events globally made it clear nukes are the only real garantee of not being attacked (ukraine/russia, but also the dprk), and everyone who doesn't have them certainly want them now.
my only hope is that this get rid of this terrible regime and make the iranian free
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I think I'm being gaslit by the media into feeling like this is too complicated for me to understand when it's really very simple. Nothing the US is doing is about pursuing peace, or making the lives of any ordinary person in any country especially the US any better.
These guys are excited to have control of the US military and all of that power and are just making up excuses to do things with it.
There is no justification. No benefit.
@futurebird More than a century ago, the US military was already powerful enough that Theodore Roosevelt could simply "speak softly and carry a big stick". One might expect the country to not need actually going to war as often! Maybe it's simply a matter of justifying military expenditure, ie making more money flow to contractors
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80 years of the US "interventions" and losing every time hasn't taught most Americans anything yet...
@futurebird Yes you are being gaslit---you are not naive
@SnowyCA it seems to be a "favorite passtime" of imperialist superpowers, just like russia and CCP China.
@rood @futurebird yes, they're trying to gaslight everyone left and right, so people only in as small numbers as possible ask their leaders why the heck they're doing what they're doing and ask for consequences. The US used a base in my country to fly the planes that carried this attack over the Atlantic and our Government said "we have a deal and the US can use the base as they wish, without requesting anything before they do" (which is false, the agreement has the same exact terms as the UK one, and the UK used the agreement to deny passage to the planes involved in this act of international terrorism). -
OK but when you start there someone pops out from behind a tree and calls you an unamerican peace-nick.
And then, because I am very anti-war and probably a peace-nick or whatever that gives me pause and by then they have started six more wars.
Why does "you hippie, you want the US to be weak" shut down the conversation? What they are doing still makes no sense. Even if you love nonsense like "the strategic application of force."
@futurebird "Do you want US to we weak?" Say fucking YES.
You are not intelligent enough to understand the realities of those not strong enough, you are impotent with all your 'strength' of solving inequality, of stopping racism, of helping minorities, of healthing the planet? Then you maybe need to know "weakness", which will give you empathy, careness, responsibility, which will give you real STRENGTH, not some bully wet dream. -
Many countries have nuclear weapons and all of them make me uncomfortable. Russia, North Korea, the US...
Is "this country might get a powerful bomb, possibly maybe later, we swear to God it's real this time" a good reason to attack them? Is anyone buying this at all?
I think attacking a country gives them more reasons to make bigger bombs and ... attack back?
Am I too naive to understand international politics?
@futurebird Israel has nuclear weapons, too.
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@SnowyCA it seems to be a "favorite passtime" of imperialist superpowers, just like russia and CCP China.
@rood @futurebird yes, they're trying to gaslight everyone left and right, so people only in as small numbers as possible ask their leaders why the heck they're doing what they're doing and ask for consequences. The US used a base in my country to fly the planes that carried this attack over the Atlantic and our Government said "we have a deal and the US can use the base as they wish, without requesting anything before they do" (which is false, the agreement has the same exact terms as the UK one, and the UK used the agreement to deny passage to the planes involved in this act of international terrorism).@jt_rebelo
I'm so sorry they did not stand up to the bully.
I agree the US is the same as Russia and China, especially as a propagandist within it's own country--the American Dream was always nonsense along with American Exceptionalism, morally speaking that is. -
I think I'm being gaslit by the media into feeling like this is too complicated for me to understand when it's really very simple. Nothing the US is doing is about pursuing peace, or making the lives of any ordinary person in any country especially the US any better.
These guys are excited to have control of the US military and all of that power and are just making up excuses to do things with it.
There is no justification. No benefit.
.. nobody expected the spanisch inquisition ..
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@FediThing @futurebird yeah, it's kinda obvious that if your goal is to have less nuclear weapons, then this is not the right move. quite clearly so.
when was Iran furthest from nuclear weapons? during JCPOA. when was it closest to nuclear weapons? after being attacked by Israel and the US last time.
this isn't a strategic move. it's a power move. transparently so.
