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  • amy@mastodon.fibercut.orgA amy@mastodon.fibercut.org

    @manawyrm Ich finds echt unbegreiflich, wie der Laden immer wieder in höchsten Tönen als unser aller Retter gelobt wird und dann nicht mal sowas auf die Reihe bekommt…

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    @amy es passt zu allem, was ich über den Laden weiß, aber trotzdem, bin ich ein wenig überrascht.
    Wie kann sowas überhaupt soweit kommen, dass man darüber einen Dokuartikel schreibt?
    Das müssen doch schon 10 Leute vorher gesehen, gelesen und die Hände überm Kopf zusammengeschlagen haben.
    Wer traut sich in nem Meeting überhaupt so eine Lösung überhaupt auszusprechen?
    Wer schreibt die dann ins Protokoll?
    Absurd 😄

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    • manawyrm@chaos.socialM manawyrm@chaos.social

      RE: https://ipv6.social/@tschaefer/116071588412706294

      Dear kids, this is what happens when you let AI design your core infrastructure architecture...

      "For HTTP/HTTPS: The gateway automatically adds the X-Forwarded-For header. Configure your web server (for example: Nginx or Apache) to evaluate this header."

      European sovereign clouds!! 🤡🤡🤡

      EDIT: I don't even know how they want to add this header in HTTPS traffic... Maybe (i hope?) this whole article really is just hallucinated 😹

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      #8

      @manawyrm and i thought digitalocean making customers share /64s was bad

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      • artemist@social.mildlyfunctional.gayA artemist@social.mildlyfunctional.gay

        @manawyrm and i thought digitalocean making customers share /64s was bad

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        @artemist I was making fun of MS Azure's inability to route ICMPv6 traffic (thus breaking PMTUD and forcing customers to effectively only use MTU 1280) -- but eh, yeah, this seems a tiny bit worse 😹

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        • manawyrm@chaos.socialM manawyrm@chaos.social

          @artemist I was making fun of MS Azure's inability to route ICMPv6 traffic (thus breaking PMTUD and forcing customers to effectively only use MTU 1280) -- but eh, yeah, this seems a tiny bit worse 😹

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          @manawyrm i'm going to make a cloud where servers have ipv6, but only over 6lowpan

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          • manawyrm@chaos.socialM manawyrm@chaos.social

            @amy es passt zu allem, was ich über den Laden weiß, aber trotzdem, bin ich ein wenig überrascht.
            Wie kann sowas überhaupt soweit kommen, dass man darüber einen Dokuartikel schreibt?
            Das müssen doch schon 10 Leute vorher gesehen, gelesen und die Hände überm Kopf zusammengeschlagen haben.
            Wer traut sich in nem Meeting überhaupt so eine Lösung überhaupt auszusprechen?
            Wer schreibt die dann ins Protokoll?
            Absurd 😄

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            @manawyrm @amy techies kennen die Infrastruktur und wissen was für Probleme es machen würde, vor allem weil mehrere teams zusammenarbeiten müssten also suchen sie eine schnelle Lösung ohne externe Hilfe (uäh, teamübergreifend arbeiten? Mit den Netzwerkern???)

            Und so kommt was bei raus; technisch mit den Einschränkungen die sie haben vermutlich.. kreativ gelöst, aber von außen Lachnummer

            .... been there tbqh ^^`

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            • littlefox@gotosocial-dev.svc.0x0a.networkL littlefox@gotosocial-dev.svc.0x0a.network

              @manawyrm @amy techies kennen die Infrastruktur und wissen was für Probleme es machen würde, vor allem weil mehrere teams zusammenarbeiten müssten also suchen sie eine schnelle Lösung ohne externe Hilfe (uäh, teamübergreifend arbeiten? Mit den Netzwerkern???)

              Und so kommt was bei raus; technisch mit den Einschränkungen die sie haben vermutlich.. kreativ gelöst, aber von außen Lachnummer

              .... been there tbqh ^^`

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              @littlefox @amy Ich weiß, dass eine gewisse österreichische Firma auch so Dinger gepullt hat und eine gewisse Firmenkultur hat...
              Das macht man aber im Rest der Welt eigentlich nicht so xD

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              • manawyrm@chaos.socialM manawyrm@chaos.social

                RE: https://ipv6.social/@tschaefer/116071588412706294

                Dear kids, this is what happens when you let AI design your core infrastructure architecture...

                "For HTTP/HTTPS: The gateway automatically adds the X-Forwarded-For header. Configure your web server (for example: Nginx or Apache) to evaluate this header."

                European sovereign clouds!! 🤡🤡🤡

                EDIT: I don't even know how they want to add this header in HTTPS traffic... Maybe (i hope?) this whole article really is just hallucinated 😹

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                @manawyrm " This feature is not usable, yet." XD

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                • manawyrm@chaos.socialM manawyrm@chaos.social

                  @littlefox @amy Ich weiß, dass eine gewisse österreichische Firma auch so Dinger gepullt hat und eine gewisse Firmenkultur hat...
                  Das macht man aber im Rest der Welt eigentlich nicht so xD

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                  @manawyrm @amy oh die hatten sinnvollen IPv6 support, an den meisten stellen jedenfalls x)

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                  • manawyrm@chaos.socialM manawyrm@chaos.social

                    RE: https://ipv6.social/@tschaefer/116071588412706294

                    Dear kids, this is what happens when you let AI design your core infrastructure architecture...

                    "For HTTP/HTTPS: The gateway automatically adds the X-Forwarded-For header. Configure your web server (for example: Nginx or Apache) to evaluate this header."

                    European sovereign clouds!! 🤡🤡🤡

                    EDIT: I don't even know how they want to add this header in HTTPS traffic... Maybe (i hope?) this whole article really is just hallucinated 😹

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                    @manawyrm@chaos.social what even the fuck, this is some serious bullshit tbh

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                    • froge@social.glitched.systemsF froge@social.glitched.systems

                      @manawyrm@chaos.social what even the fuck, this is some serious bullshit tbh

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                      @manawyrm@chaos.social not only do they force NAT at the gateway but it translates IPv6 into IPv4 🤡🤡

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                      • artemist@social.mildlyfunctional.gayA artemist@social.mildlyfunctional.gay

                        @manawyrm and i thought digitalocean making customers share /64s was bad

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                        @artemist @manawyrm raaaage

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                        • erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.netE erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net

                          @manawyrm when Mythic Beasts did an IPv4 to IPv6 proxy for VPSes/Pis without IPv4 addresses it was cute.

                          But this… This is horrific. This is a crime against all that is good in this world. How is your internal infrastructure so fucked up you need to do this. How is everyone involved in this not dying of embarassment.

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                          @manawyrm

                          EDIT: I don’t even know how they want to add this header in HTTPS traffic… Maybe (i hope?) this whole article really is just hallucinated 😹

                          Hopefully they’re using the Proxy Protocol.

                          But I have this horrible suspicion they’re not…

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                          • manawyrm@chaos.socialM manawyrm@chaos.social

                            RE: https://ipv6.social/@tschaefer/116071588412706294

                            Dear kids, this is what happens when you let AI design your core infrastructure architecture...

                            "For HTTP/HTTPS: The gateway automatically adds the X-Forwarded-For header. Configure your web server (for example: Nginx or Apache) to evaluate this header."

                            European sovereign clouds!! 🤡🤡🤡

                            EDIT: I don't even know how they want to add this header in HTTPS traffic... Maybe (i hope?) this whole article really is just hallucinated 😹

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                            @manawyrm @amy back when i still worked at AWS on the European Sovereign Cloud project i was regularly socially excluded for being the only one who doesn't use an LLM... next to being trans and autistic ofc

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                            • erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.netE erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net

                              @manawyrm

                              EDIT: I don’t even know how they want to add this header in HTTPS traffic… Maybe (i hope?) this whole article really is just hallucinated 😹

                              Hopefully they’re using the Proxy Protocol.

                              But I have this horrible suspicion they’re not…

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                              @erincandescent I don't think so:
                              - it would break existing applications
                              - it probably has the same/similar security implications
                              - they explicitly mention "X-Forwarded-For" by name

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                              • manawyrm@chaos.socialM manawyrm@chaos.social

                                @erincandescent I don't think so:
                                - it would break existing applications
                                - it probably has the same/similar security implications
                                - they explicitly mention "X-Forwarded-For" by name

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                                @manawyrm

                                • definitely
                                • you wrap the unmodified TLS bytestream in it
                                • yeah….
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                                • littlefox@gotosocial-dev.svc.0x0a.networkL littlefox@gotosocial-dev.svc.0x0a.network

                                  @manawyrm @amy oh die hatten sinnvollen IPv6 support, an den meisten stellen jedenfalls x)

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                                  @manawyrm @amy (dafür ein "Database as a Service" wo Kunden alles per Support ticket einkippen mussten; nix API)

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                                  • littlefox@gotosocial-dev.svc.0x0a.networkL littlefox@gotosocial-dev.svc.0x0a.network

                                    @manawyrm @amy (dafür ein "Database as a Service" wo Kunden alles per Support ticket einkippen mussten; nix API)

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                                    @littlefox@gotosocial-dev.svc.0x0a.network @manawyrm@chaos.social @amy@mastodon.fibercut.org Für jeden SQL-Befehl? ​​

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                                    • airtower@woem.menA airtower@woem.men

                                      @littlefox@gotosocial-dev.svc.0x0a.network @manawyrm@chaos.social @amy@mastodon.fibercut.org Für jeden SQL-Befehl? ​​

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                                      @airtower @manawyrm @amy so schlimm dann auch ne x)

                                      Aber Datenbanken oder User anlegen und sowas

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                                      • manawyrm@chaos.socialM manawyrm@chaos.social

                                        RE: https://ipv6.social/@tschaefer/116071588412706294

                                        Dear kids, this is what happens when you let AI design your core infrastructure architecture...

                                        "For HTTP/HTTPS: The gateway automatically adds the X-Forwarded-For header. Configure your web server (for example: Nginx or Apache) to evaluate this header."

                                        European sovereign clouds!! 🤡🤡🤡

                                        EDIT: I don't even know how they want to add this header in HTTPS traffic... Maybe (i hope?) this whole article really is just hallucinated 😹

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                                        @manawyrm just give your cert to that gateway ^^

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                                        • cyrevolt@mastodon.socialC cyrevolt@mastodon.social

                                          @manawyrm just give your cert to that gateway ^^

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                                          @CyReVolt @manawyrm aaaaaaaa

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