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Worth repeating: Claims of "AI" democratizing anything (coding, creative endeavors, etc) are always BS.

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  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

    Worth repeating: Claims of "AI" democratizing anything (coding, creative endeavors, etc) are always BS. The thing locking out people from doing that is not having the time/resources.

    You want to democratize coding/art/creativity? Give people paid time off to do it and access to infrastructure. Easy.

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    evaack@hachyderm.io
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    #15

    @tante I spy with my little eye a connection between this sentiment of "AI democratizing things" and UBI not being implemented as policy 👁

    Spot-on 👏

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    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

      Worth repeating: Claims of "AI" democratizing anything (coding, creative endeavors, etc) are always BS. The thing locking out people from doing that is not having the time/resources.

      You want to democratize coding/art/creativity? Give people paid time off to do it and access to infrastructure. Easy.

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      vittelius@layer8.space
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      @tante Also: modern art has thoroughly democratized art already. A fake name signed to an urinal is considered art. What's left to democratize?

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      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

        Worth repeating: Claims of "AI" democratizing anything (coding, creative endeavors, etc) are always BS. The thing locking out people from doing that is not having the time/resources.

        You want to democratize coding/art/creativity? Give people paid time off to do it and access to infrastructure. Easy.

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        #17

        @tante this is an intellectually dishonest argument.

        Everything is solvable by "more time and more access to infrastructure" when your limits approach infinity, similar to how, if you gave an infinite amount of monkey an infinite amount of typewriters, one of them will eventually type up with the works Shakespeare.

        Take creating an alternative to Android for example, it's a Herculean task not because of the OS itself, but because of a

        > wide range of nonfree software blobs that commonly occur in even the most progressive "free software" operating systems.

        Link Preview Image
        LibrePhone

        LibrePhone is a project to research freely licensed firmware for mobile phones.

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        LibrePhone (librephone.fsf.org)

        LLMs are great at pattern recognition by design, including identifying function signatures, recognising common driver patterns, reading Ghidra output, etc.

        This takes a problem that was so far considered in the realm of needing state backing to a problem that can be tackled by a relatively small team of dedicated researchers.

        So yeah, my bad if I don't give a damn about moralising "AI use" when the alternative is rewriting and drying up the moat of American tech companies that enable surveillance and brutalising of the Global South

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        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

          Worth repeating: Claims of "AI" democratizing anything (coding, creative endeavors, etc) are always BS. The thing locking out people from doing that is not having the time/resources.

          You want to democratize coding/art/creativity? Give people paid time off to do it and access to infrastructure. Easy.

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          gerardthornley@hachyderm.io
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          @tante Yeah, if anything it'll do the opposite. Lowering entry costs will drive people out of the market, so that the only ones who can afford to get stuff actually made by a human are the ones who have acquired sufficient money / power to afford it.

          E.g. Once upon a time, every chair or table would have been hand-made. Where does hand-made furniture sit in the market, now?

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          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

            Worth repeating: Claims of "AI" democratizing anything (coding, creative endeavors, etc) are always BS. The thing locking out people from doing that is not having the time/resources.

            You want to democratize coding/art/creativity? Give people paid time off to do it and access to infrastructure. Easy.

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            #19

            @tante Anyone in tech who tosses around the term 'Democratising' means they want to remove the need for consent, the ability for creative people to refuse to allow their art be used to put a glossy sheen on the indefensible. It's the same language we hear from incels when it comes to sex, what their involuntary partner may want isn't even a consideration.

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            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

              Worth repeating: Claims of "AI" democratizing anything (coding, creative endeavors, etc) are always BS. The thing locking out people from doing that is not having the time/resources.

              You want to democratize coding/art/creativity? Give people paid time off to do it and access to infrastructure. Easy.

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              carstenpfeffer@mastodon.gamedev.place
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              #20

              @tante Indeed, it's the opposite of democratization. The reason: Who owns the models, who owns the data centers? Oligarchs have control over whether the models generate and what they generate.

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              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                Worth repeating: Claims of "AI" democratizing anything (coding, creative endeavors, etc) are always BS. The thing locking out people from doing that is not having the time/resources.

                You want to democratize coding/art/creativity? Give people paid time off to do it and access to infrastructure. Easy.

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                #21

                This is spot on. AI will automate the boring parts but the "democratization" crowd always conflates access with skill. The tools get better, the bar gets higher, not lower

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                • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                  I do want to see the art people come up with who can't do it today. Give everyone a paid month off every year to do whatever they want. Learn a thing, make music. Paint. Anything.
                  That gives people access. Not a slop machine.

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                  #22

                  @tante
                  The slop / plagiarising machine gives giant corporations control,

                  Also you can't copyright / own any AI generated content. You can be sure if it could be copyrighted, the Corp selling the service would own the copyright.

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                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                    Worth repeating: Claims of "AI" democratizing anything (coding, creative endeavors, etc) are always BS. The thing locking out people from doing that is not having the time/resources.

                    You want to democratize coding/art/creativity? Give people paid time off to do it and access to infrastructure. Easy.

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                    ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai
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                    #23

                    @tante

                    When we look at any piece of technology being offered to us the very first thing we should ask is who ends up in control of the process / who is made dependent on the process?

                    Convenience can only be considered beneficial when we can trust the service not to screw us

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                    • eurodivergent@mstdn.socialE eurodivergent@mstdn.social

                      @tante I agree. And yet there is this: I have been using small LLMs to help me kick-off coding projects that I conceptually understand but lack the mental ability to learn the programming on my own. I let the model sketch the structure, suggest a stack, and then let it build while I watch and ask questions. Then I tell it to document all steps and explain what does what on a granular level. Last week I was able to generate a simple SSG. (1/5)

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                      @eurodivergent @tante

                      You need to do a real course. You are simply being exploited.

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                      • dergiga@troet.cafeD dergiga@troet.cafe

                        @tante Furthermore: People are not creating, they are commissioning.

                        "I used Da Vinci to create the Mona Lisa." - some Medici, probably.

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                        @DerGiga @tante and every artist who had to wrestle their way through a client’s near-inscrutable ‘prompt’ to arrive at a competent picture knows very very intimately that natural language is a really bad interface for such a purpose, too.

                        this weird dream of ‘i tell the machine what i want and then i get the picture i had in my head’ is making some very bold assumptions about how well they can wield language.

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                        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                          Worth repeating: Claims of "AI" democratizing anything (coding, creative endeavors, etc) are always BS. The thing locking out people from doing that is not having the time/resources.

                          You want to democratize coding/art/creativity? Give people paid time off to do it and access to infrastructure. Easy.

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                          @tante exactly the opposite of democratizing https://mastodon.social/@noleli/116104276740757370

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                            @thrilway @tante indeed, ever since they rejected the promise of the personal computer revolution and started clawing it back with “cloud services”

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                            • raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie

                              @eurodivergent @tante

                              You need to do a real course. You are simply being exploited.

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                              @raymaccarthy @tante How am I being exploited? I learn how to build a template system while taking a shit. Also I do courses and will continue to. What I described is just a parallel approach that happens to work for my disability.

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                              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                I do want to see the art people come up with who can't do it today. Give everyone a paid month off every year to do whatever they want. Learn a thing, make music. Paint. Anything.
                                That gives people access. Not a slop machine.

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                                @tante I thing they mean "we can pay *anyone* to attempt to fix the crap the LLM excretes, therefore the salary is whatever is the least any person makes right now"

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                                • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                  Worth repeating: Claims of "AI" democratizing anything (coding, creative endeavors, etc) are always BS. The thing locking out people from doing that is not having the time/resources.

                                  You want to democratize coding/art/creativity? Give people paid time off to do it and access to infrastructure. Easy.

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                                  #30

                                  @tante Universal Basic Income

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                                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                    Worth repeating: Claims of "AI" democratizing anything (coding, creative endeavors, etc) are always BS. The thing locking out people from doing that is not having the time/resources.

                                    You want to democratize coding/art/creativity? Give people paid time off to do it and access to infrastructure. Easy.

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                                    #31

                                    @tante Democratize? This means bypassing actual experience, exploiting the experience of those who did put in the time?

                                    I hate these tech bro terms thst attempt to make their awful things seem cool and innovative rather than exploitive.

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                                    • budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB budududuroiu@hachyderm.io

                                      @tante this is an intellectually dishonest argument.

                                      Everything is solvable by "more time and more access to infrastructure" when your limits approach infinity, similar to how, if you gave an infinite amount of monkey an infinite amount of typewriters, one of them will eventually type up with the works Shakespeare.

                                      Take creating an alternative to Android for example, it's a Herculean task not because of the OS itself, but because of a

                                      > wide range of nonfree software blobs that commonly occur in even the most progressive "free software" operating systems.

                                      Link Preview Image
                                      LibrePhone

                                      LibrePhone is a project to research freely licensed firmware for mobile phones.

                                      favicon

                                      LibrePhone (librephone.fsf.org)

                                      LLMs are great at pattern recognition by design, including identifying function signatures, recognising common driver patterns, reading Ghidra output, etc.

                                      This takes a problem that was so far considered in the realm of needing state backing to a problem that can be tackled by a relatively small team of dedicated researchers.

                                      So yeah, my bad if I don't give a damn about moralising "AI use" when the alternative is rewriting and drying up the moat of American tech companies that enable surveillance and brutalising of the Global South

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                                      @budududuroiu @tante LLMs start from the intellectually dishonest position of reselling stolen goods.

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                                      • raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie

                                        @eurodivergent @tante

                                        You need to do a real course. You are simply being exploited.

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                                        @raymaccarthy @eurodivergent @tante You need to stop telling people who didn't ask your opinion what to do. You're being annoying.

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                                        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                          Worth repeating: Claims of "AI" democratizing anything (coding, creative endeavors, etc) are always BS. The thing locking out people from doing that is not having the time/resources.

                                          You want to democratize coding/art/creativity? Give people paid time off to do it and access to infrastructure. Easy.

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                                          @tante speaking as a parent with questionable time management skills and a creative passion I can 10000% verify this

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