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Google Broke reCAPTCHA for De-Googled Android Users https://reclaimthenet.org/google-broke-recaptcha-for-de-googled-android-users

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  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
    nixcraft@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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    Google Broke reCAPTCHA for De-Googled Android Users https://reclaimthenet.org/google-broke-recaptcha-for-de-googled-android-users

    Google has tied its next-generation reCAPTCHA system to Google Play Services on Android, meaning anyone running a de-Googled phone will automatically fail verification when the system decides to challenge them. Another day another Google take over the world, open web and mobile ecosystems. This battle seems to be lost already because governments are ignoring shenanigans of Google.

    agowa338@chaos.socialA cimeesia@o3o.caC maat@mastodon.socialM mlabowicz@hachyderm.ioM templailloahi@mastodon.socialT 12 Replies Last reply
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    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

      Google Broke reCAPTCHA for De-Googled Android Users https://reclaimthenet.org/google-broke-recaptcha-for-de-googled-android-users

      Google has tied its next-generation reCAPTCHA system to Google Play Services on Android, meaning anyone running a de-Googled phone will automatically fail verification when the system decides to challenge them. Another day another Google take over the world, open web and mobile ecosystems. This battle seems to be lost already because governments are ignoring shenanigans of Google.

      agowa338@chaos.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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      @nixCraft So you can't use Amazon Fire tables either?

      That can be fun, lets see what Amazon does against this 😄

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      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

        Google Broke reCAPTCHA for De-Googled Android Users https://reclaimthenet.org/google-broke-recaptcha-for-de-googled-android-users

        Google has tied its next-generation reCAPTCHA system to Google Play Services on Android, meaning anyone running a de-Googled phone will automatically fail verification when the system decides to challenge them. Another day another Google take over the world, open web and mobile ecosystems. This battle seems to be lost already because governments are ignoring shenanigans of Google.

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        @nixCraft just made this meme after seeing this 😂

        > The iOS comparison is revealing because Apple devices running iOS 16.4 or later complete the same verification without installing any additional apps. Google didn’t demand iPhone users install Google software to pass the test. Only Android users who refuse Play Services get locked out. The asymmetry reveals what this is really about: not security, but ecosystem control.

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        • agowa338@chaos.socialA agowa338@chaos.social

          @nixCraft So you can't use Amazon Fire tables either?

          That can be fun, lets see what Amazon does against this 😄

          serk@neopaquita.esS This user is from outside of this forum
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          @agowa338

          @nixCraft i dont think so. There must be an ad-hoc solution. Same for iphone.

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          • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

            Google Broke reCAPTCHA for De-Googled Android Users https://reclaimthenet.org/google-broke-recaptcha-for-de-googled-android-users

            Google has tied its next-generation reCAPTCHA system to Google Play Services on Android, meaning anyone running a de-Googled phone will automatically fail verification when the system decides to challenge them. Another day another Google take over the world, open web and mobile ecosystems. This battle seems to be lost already because governments are ignoring shenanigans of Google.

            maat@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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            @nixCraft then let's get rid of Android Phones and live to linux ones. If only oss contributors moved to linux mobiles and started to provide mobile apps for linux on mobiles it would change the world... ONG and public EU administrations would move, mobile constructors to avoid loosing critical customers would provide at least some phones with linux and Google would step back in the end.

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            • serk@neopaquita.esS serk@neopaquita.es

              @agowa338

              @nixCraft i dont think so. There must be an ad-hoc solution. Same for iphone.

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              @serk @nixCraft

              According to the article you just don't have to have the Google Play Services on iPhone. Google only demands them for Android phones.

              Tbh this feels like they're just trying to do a malicious compliance thing with the #DMA. They got slapped so they're trying the next thing...

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              • maat@mastodon.socialM maat@mastodon.social

                @nixCraft then let's get rid of Android Phones and live to linux ones. If only oss contributors moved to linux mobiles and started to provide mobile apps for linux on mobiles it would change the world... ONG and public EU administrations would move, mobile constructors to avoid loosing critical customers would provide at least some phones with linux and Google would step back in the end.

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                @maat @nixCraft Degoogled Android phones or those who support Android apps are still an option - huge and productive developer ecosystem

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                • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                  Google Broke reCAPTCHA for De-Googled Android Users https://reclaimthenet.org/google-broke-recaptcha-for-de-googled-android-users

                  Google has tied its next-generation reCAPTCHA system to Google Play Services on Android, meaning anyone running a de-Googled phone will automatically fail verification when the system decides to challenge them. Another day another Google take over the world, open web and mobile ecosystems. This battle seems to be lost already because governments are ignoring shenanigans of Google.

                  mlabowicz@hachyderm.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @nixCraft can you spoof it with an updated browser agent string?

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                  • agowa338@chaos.socialA agowa338@chaos.social

                    @serk @nixCraft

                    According to the article you just don't have to have the Google Play Services on iPhone. Google only demands them for Android phones.

                    Tbh this feels like they're just trying to do a malicious compliance thing with the #DMA. They got slapped so they're trying the next thing...

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                    @agowa338

                    @nixCraft just finished reading it XD
                    Yes as the article said it. This is control over android, and probably degoogle phones will find a fix but it will force them to do suspicious things.

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                    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                      Google Broke reCAPTCHA for De-Googled Android Users https://reclaimthenet.org/google-broke-recaptcha-for-de-googled-android-users

                      Google has tied its next-generation reCAPTCHA system to Google Play Services on Android, meaning anyone running a de-Googled phone will automatically fail verification when the system decides to challenge them. Another day another Google take over the world, open web and mobile ecosystems. This battle seems to be lost already because governments are ignoring shenanigans of Google.

                      templailloahi@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @nixCraft Of course governments are ignoring Google's shenanigans, Google spends a lot of money on them.

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                      • serk@neopaquita.esS serk@neopaquita.es

                        @agowa338

                        @nixCraft just finished reading it XD
                        Yes as the article said it. This is control over android, and probably degoogle phones will find a fix but it will force them to do suspicious things.

                        agowa338@chaos.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @serk @nixCraft

                        One petty thing to do would be to just patch the user agent for these devices to say they're iPhones...

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                        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                          Google Broke reCAPTCHA for De-Googled Android Users https://reclaimthenet.org/google-broke-recaptcha-for-de-googled-android-users

                          Google has tied its next-generation reCAPTCHA system to Google Play Services on Android, meaning anyone running a de-Googled phone will automatically fail verification when the system decides to challenge them. Another day another Google take over the world, open web and mobile ecosystems. This battle seems to be lost already because governments are ignoring shenanigans of Google.

                          maunzcache@ruhr.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @nixCraft If it doesn't work, pressure the website owners and bring down the captcha monopol.

                          Edit: It probably violates accessiblity requirements as well...

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                          • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                            Google Broke reCAPTCHA for De-Googled Android Users https://reclaimthenet.org/google-broke-recaptcha-for-de-googled-android-users

                            Google has tied its next-generation reCAPTCHA system to Google Play Services on Android, meaning anyone running a de-Googled phone will automatically fail verification when the system decides to challenge them. Another day another Google take over the world, open web and mobile ecosystems. This battle seems to be lost already because governments are ignoring shenanigans of Google.

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                            @nixCraft when will the new captcha be in production ?

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                              Google Broke reCAPTCHA for De-Googled Android Users https://reclaimthenet.org/google-broke-recaptcha-for-de-googled-android-users

                              Google has tied its next-generation reCAPTCHA system to Google Play Services on Android, meaning anyone running a de-Googled phone will automatically fail verification when the system decides to challenge them. Another day another Google take over the world, open web and mobile ecosystems. This battle seems to be lost already because governments are ignoring shenanigans of Google.

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                              @nixCraft

                              Google slogan: Be REALLY Evil

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                              • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                Google Broke reCAPTCHA for De-Googled Android Users https://reclaimthenet.org/google-broke-recaptcha-for-de-googled-android-users

                                Google has tied its next-generation reCAPTCHA system to Google Play Services on Android, meaning anyone running a de-Googled phone will automatically fail verification when the system decides to challenge them. Another day another Google take over the world, open web and mobile ecosystems. This battle seems to be lost already because governments are ignoring shenanigans of Google.

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                                @nixCraft so I guess there will be some website that I will not be visiting then.
                                Too bad for them..

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                                  @nixCraft then let's get rid of Android Phones and live to linux ones. If only oss contributors moved to linux mobiles and started to provide mobile apps for linux on mobiles it would change the world... ONG and public EU administrations would move, mobile constructors to avoid loosing critical customers would provide at least some phones with linux and Google would step back in the end.

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                                  @maat @nixCraft

                                  Linux is a terrible option for general security, which is especially important for a device as personal as your phone. Nothing is encrypted and Flatpak's sandboxing is worse than Android 4.4 and grants broad permissions by default.

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                                    @nixCraft when will the new captcha be in production ?

                                    asterisk@social.linux.pizzaA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @rufus01 @nixCraft Considering many haven't updated from reCAPTCHAv2 I don't think we'll see this much.

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                                    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                      Google Broke reCAPTCHA for De-Googled Android Users https://reclaimthenet.org/google-broke-recaptcha-for-de-googled-android-users

                                      Google has tied its next-generation reCAPTCHA system to Google Play Services on Android, meaning anyone running a de-Googled phone will automatically fail verification when the system decides to challenge them. Another day another Google take over the world, open web and mobile ecosystems. This battle seems to be lost already because governments are ignoring shenanigans of Google.

                                      asterisk@social.linux.pizzaA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @nixCraft The funniest part is that a lot of apps use Google libraries (which means most "degoogled" setups aren't actually degoogled) which can act like a copy of Play Services themselves, so those apps could be a viable option for verification if Google insists on an app, but Google's gotta have that invasive Play Services access, right?

                                      edit: Blog post because the article above doesn't cite its sources:

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                                      Introducing Google Cloud Fraud Defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA | Google Cloud Blog

                                      Today at Next ‘26, we’re launching Google Cloud Fraud Defense, the trust platform for the agentic web and the next evolution of reCAPTCHA.

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                                      Google Cloud Blog (cloud.google.com)

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                                      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                        Google Broke reCAPTCHA for De-Googled Android Users https://reclaimthenet.org/google-broke-recaptcha-for-de-googled-android-users

                                        Google has tied its next-generation reCAPTCHA system to Google Play Services on Android, meaning anyone running a de-Googled phone will automatically fail verification when the system decides to challenge them. Another day another Google take over the world, open web and mobile ecosystems. This battle seems to be lost already because governments are ignoring shenanigans of Google.

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                                        @nixCraft So, when you see the QR on your laptop, you'll need to scan it with your phone? I guess, this should reveal who (Google account) is trying to open the site.

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                                        • asterisk@social.linux.pizzaA asterisk@social.linux.pizza

                                          @maat @nixCraft

                                          Linux is a terrible option for general security, which is especially important for a device as personal as your phone. Nothing is encrypted and Flatpak's sandboxing is worse than Android 4.4 and grants broad permissions by default.

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                                          @asterisk @nixCraft Linux is not terrible at all if setup properly. A linux with a decent Apparmor setup is really good for security.
                                          Flatpak is a shame and Android too: It lets Whatsapp and LinkedIn apps slurp all the contacts without even blinking. All Android sandboxing currently just suck.
                                          Only things like island work a little to isolate rogue apps. And nothing protect users from Google on Android.

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