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  3. It's really freaky how armies depend on having a lot of really, really young & impressionable soldiers.

It's really freaky how armies depend on having a lot of really, really young & impressionable soldiers.

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  • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

    It's really freaky how armies depend on having a lot of really, really young & impressionable soldiers.

    They need these 18, 19, 20 year olds. They need easily frightened people who have not yet gotten practice making decisions about their own lives.

    And boy, oh boy, are many soldiers easily frightened. It's a big part of what makes them so dangerous. They have to be frightened so that they can only think about killing to survive.

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    @artemis it's not just soldiers and cops, although soldiers and cops are by far the most obvious examples: "the West" secretly requires the traumatization of children. The children of "the West" must be broken, as forcibly and painfully as possible, in order for them to function properly in a system which depends upon pain and re-traumatization in order to control adult behavior.

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    • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

      "Ok, so we're going to teach you to be absolutely petrified of these people whose language you do not speak & whose culture you don't understand & then we're going to send you out in very small groups to go house to house looking for nothing very specific. I'm sure you won't do any murders. Just don't forget that everyone wants to kill you, so you should kill them first."

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      @artemis and to the extent they can get away with it, they won't just characterize it as a different culture…they will do as much as possible to paint it as an "inferior" one, add in as much racist and misogynistic drivel as they can get away with so they will already be in dehumanization mode.

      Scared but "too manly" to admit it, AND filled with hubris about being "superior" "objective" and with an imaginary "one true gawd" on their side.. Thats what any nation needs in its young men (/s).

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      • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

        It's really freaky how armies depend on having a lot of really, really young & impressionable soldiers.

        They need these 18, 19, 20 year olds. They need easily frightened people who have not yet gotten practice making decisions about their own lives.

        And boy, oh boy, are many soldiers easily frightened. It's a big part of what makes them so dangerous. They have to be frightened so that they can only think about killing to survive.

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        @artemis
        There’s an excellent book and CBC TV series by a fellow named Gwynne Dyer called War that he put together back in the 80’s. It covers how military indoctrination works and why it’s so effective. Basically they want males under the age of 25 because they’re utterly incapable of thinking for themselves, and can be easily moulded into highly effective killing machines.

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          @Chrisblue @artemis
          The book is your best bet I think, CBC has done an excellent job of burying the documentary. Gwynne served in the Canadian, American and UK navies, and teaches at the Sandhurst Military Academy in the UK. He’s brilliantly insightful into a lot of what is happening in the world.

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          • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

            It's really freaky how armies depend on having a lot of really, really young & impressionable soldiers.

            They need these 18, 19, 20 year olds. They need easily frightened people who have not yet gotten practice making decisions about their own lives.

            And boy, oh boy, are many soldiers easily frightened. It's a big part of what makes them so dangerous. They have to be frightened so that they can only think about killing to survive.

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            @artemis something I noticed in my mid-20s, before I was even an Old: that many teenagers I sometimes worked with would hesitate and freeze if given multiple options. But if you gave the same options and suggested one, they'd nearly always do that.

            I never concluded that "the kids today can't do x!!! bloody kids!!", but "jesus, they're so used to having their agency denied that just having unexpected independence is paralysing"

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