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I am begging website owners to always provide a light mode.

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  • sashin@veganism.socialS sashin@veganism.social

    @ghalldev @drahardja Is it important to have a toggle, or does making it respect the system theme almost always work?

    drahardja@sfba.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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    @sashin @ghalldev Either would be fine, since I keep my system in Light mode.

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    • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

      I am begging website owners to always provide a light mode. It’s an accessibility issue for me: my aging eyes are no longer able to view light-on-dark text for extended periods without severe ghosting/afterimages.

      #accessibility #website #design

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      @drahardja Despite its name, dark reader has an invert option so you can easily and quickly force a light mode on sites that lack one.

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      • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

        @sashin @ghalldev Either would be fine, since I keep my system in Light mode.

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        @drahardja @ghalldev does this automatically open in light mode? https://sashin.dev

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        • sashin@veganism.socialS sashin@veganism.social

          @drahardja @ghalldev does this automatically open in light mode? https://sashin.dev

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          @sashin @ghalldev Yes.

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          • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

            I am begging website owners to always provide a light mode. It’s an accessibility issue for me: my aging eyes are no longer able to view light-on-dark text for extended periods without severe ghosting/afterimages.

            #accessibility #website #design

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            @drahardja Here’s what I wrote when I added automatic light mode support to my blog:

            “This is something that improves accessibility, but there's also a practical reason: I myself use light mode. Like many folks with astigmatism, I find dark mode more difficult to read. […] I want a blog I can actually read even when my eyes get tired. And if it bothers me, there are almost certainly other people it bothers as well.”

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            I've added a light theme to the blog's CSS which should be automatically selected if your system is set to use light mode. The original dark theme will be selected if your system is set to use dark mode. ...

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            • arjache@toot.catA arjache@toot.cat

              @drahardja Here’s what I wrote when I added automatic light mode support to my blog:

              “This is something that improves accessibility, but there's also a practical reason: I myself use light mode. Like many folks with astigmatism, I find dark mode more difficult to read. […] I want a blog I can actually read even when my eyes get tired. And if it bothers me, there are almost certainly other people it bothers as well.”

              Link Preview Image
              Blog housekeeping

              I've added a light theme to the blog's CSS which should be automatically selected if your system is set to use light mode. The original dark theme will be selected if your system is set to use dark mode. ...

              favicon

              badger trebuchet diagram no. 17 (arjache.com)

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              @arjache Yay!

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              • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                I am begging website owners to always provide a light mode. It’s an accessibility issue for me: my aging eyes are no longer able to view light-on-dark text for extended periods without severe ghosting/afterimages.

                #accessibility #website #design

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                @drahardja

                Oh huh, maybe that's why I prefer light mode. I did not know that about astigmatism, thank you.

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                • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                  I am begging website owners to always provide a light mode. It’s an accessibility issue for me: my aging eyes are no longer able to view light-on-dark text for extended periods without severe ghosting/afterimages.

                  #accessibility #website #design

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                  @drahardja i have to use reader mode and if that's not available i'll try to set "page style > no style" in firefox and if that doesn't do it i just can't read it

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                  • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                    I am begging website owners to always provide a light mode. It’s an accessibility issue for me: my aging eyes are no longer able to view light-on-dark text for extended periods without severe ghosting/afterimages.

                    #accessibility #website #design

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                    @drahardja I always use dark mode, but override it with my own settings on probably 90% of sites that offer their own, because nearly all of them use white text on dark (or black) background, which is way too high contrast for me.

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                    • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                      I am begging website owners to always provide a light mode. It’s an accessibility issue for me: my aging eyes are no longer able to view light-on-dark text for extended periods without severe ghosting/afterimages.

                      #accessibility #website #design

                      vanuphantom@zug.networkV This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @drahardja
                      Heya Dave, I design a lot of websites and apps for my work. We usually design them for dark mode first, which means we often have design oversights in the light versions.

                      Are there any things we should keep in mind to make sure that the light versions are accessible to people like you?

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                      • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                        I am begging website owners to always provide a light mode. It’s an accessibility issue for me: my aging eyes are no longer able to view light-on-dark text for extended periods without severe ghosting/afterimages.

                        #accessibility #website #design

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                        @drahardja My website is so old I haven't got around to adding a dark mode yet, you're fine.

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                        • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                          I am begging website owners to always provide a light mode. It’s an accessibility issue for me: my aging eyes are no longer able to view light-on-dark text for extended periods without severe ghosting/afterimages.

                          #accessibility #website #design

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                          New browser plugin idea unlocked.

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                          • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                            I am begging website owners to always provide a light mode. It’s an accessibility issue for me: my aging eyes are no longer able to view light-on-dark text for extended periods without severe ghosting/afterimages.

                            #accessibility #website #design

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                            @drahardja

                            IMHO, every modern website should support both modes.

                            In my case, it's the light mode that my aging eyes can no longer tolerate (too bright: my eyes tire quickly).
                            And while many rightly criticize dark mode for too much contrast between white text and a black background, for me, it's the lack of contrast that too often prevents me from reading without resorting to manual zoom.

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                            • villapirorum@indieweb.socialV villapirorum@indieweb.social

                              @drahardja

                              IMHO, every modern website should support both modes.

                              In my case, it's the light mode that my aging eyes can no longer tolerate (too bright: my eyes tire quickly).
                              And while many rightly criticize dark mode for too much contrast between white text and a black background, for me, it's the lack of contrast that too often prevents me from reading without resorting to manual zoom.

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                              @drahardja

                              Fortunately, today's CSS and `light-dark()` make supporting user preferences much easier than before.

                              However, while WCAG2 and APCA allow us to verify that the contrast is sufficient, what are the recommendations regarding excessive contrast?

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                              • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                I am begging website owners to always provide a light mode. It’s an accessibility issue for me: my aging eyes are no longer able to view light-on-dark text for extended periods without severe ghosting/afterimages.

                                #accessibility #website #design

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                                @drahardja til I am not the only one this happens to

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                                • vanuphantom@zug.networkV vanuphantom@zug.network

                                  @drahardja
                                  Heya Dave, I design a lot of websites and apps for my work. We usually design them for dark mode first, which means we often have design oversights in the light versions.

                                  Are there any things we should keep in mind to make sure that the light versions are accessible to people like you?

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                                  @VanuPhantom I’m sure light-on-dark design has been discussed extensively since the days of print. I’m not a usability expert, but I can tell you what affects me personally.

                                  I’m most sensitive to anything that look like bars: repeating strips of high contrast light against dark, like prison cell bars in old cartoons; these patterns cause severe afterimages, often lasting minutes.

                                  My pet theory is that *light areas* in general cause afterimages for me overall. However, in light mode, the entire window is light, so it makes less difference because I basically get a diffuse, white-rectangle afterimage which doesn’t really interfere with details that I’m trying to focus on (it may reduce contrast somewhat in my brain but it’s fine). But in dark mode, the only bright things that cause afterimages are the fine detail (text), so as I move around these afterimages interfere severely against the new details I’m trying to read. A similar thing happens with bars when I’m in light mode.

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                                  • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                    I am begging website owners to always provide a light mode. It’s an accessibility issue for me: my aging eyes are no longer able to view light-on-dark text for extended periods without severe ghosting/afterimages.

                                    #accessibility #website #design

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                                    @drahardja Thanks so much for that post. I have the same problem.

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                                    • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                      @VanuPhantom I’m sure light-on-dark design has been discussed extensively since the days of print. I’m not a usability expert, but I can tell you what affects me personally.

                                      I’m most sensitive to anything that look like bars: repeating strips of high contrast light against dark, like prison cell bars in old cartoons; these patterns cause severe afterimages, often lasting minutes.

                                      My pet theory is that *light areas* in general cause afterimages for me overall. However, in light mode, the entire window is light, so it makes less difference because I basically get a diffuse, white-rectangle afterimage which doesn’t really interfere with details that I’m trying to focus on (it may reduce contrast somewhat in my brain but it’s fine). But in dark mode, the only bright things that cause afterimages are the fine detail (text), so as I move around these afterimages interfere severely against the new details I’m trying to read. A similar thing happens with bars when I’m in light mode.

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                                      @VanuPhantom Body text fonts matter too. A font with tall counters and good variation between characters are easier to read for me. For serifs, I don’t like fonts that have very thin parts (e.g. Bodoni) for text because they tend to make the thicker parts look like bars. I prefer fonts like Schoolbook that have more modest thick/thin contrast, or Adelle that has basically uniform line widths.

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                                      • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                        I am begging website owners to always provide a light mode. It’s an accessibility issue for me: my aging eyes are no longer able to view light-on-dark text for extended periods without severe ghosting/afterimages.

                                        #accessibility #website #design

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                                        @drahardja 2c: the web browser should manage this.

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                                        • dannyman@sfba.socialD dannyman@sfba.social

                                          @drahardja 2c: the web browser should manage this.

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                                          @dannyman I mean, it does to an extent. CSS has the color-scheme and light-dark() colors that respond to the browser’s settings.

                                          But the browser can only do so much. CSS doesn’t convey the *intent* of elements, only their *appearance*. It’s much worse with React-style pages, in which the CSS *and* html elements have basically zero semantic meaning.

                                          I use Reader mode to get around dark mode, which works sometimes for sites with mostly static blog contents, but a wholesale rewriting of the page style basically requires reading the minds of the developers.

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