In 2022 the Spanish parliament recognized the legal personhood of a lagoon called the Mar Menor, thus making it the first ecosystem in Europe with its own rights.
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In 2022 the Spanish parliament recognized the legal personhood of a lagoon called the Mar Menor, thus making it the first ecosystem in Europe with its own rights. This follows similar decisions in some other countries:
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RE: https://mamot.fr/@pluralistic/116407495473802207
In 2022 the Spanish parliament recognized the legal personhood of a lagoon called the Mar Menor, thus making it the first ecosystem in Europe with its own rights. This follows similar decisions in some other countries:
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Unfortunately, this is offset by Citizens United, which gives rights to corporations -
RE: https://mamot.fr/@pluralistic/116407495473802207
In 2022 the Spanish parliament recognized the legal personhood of a lagoon called the Mar Menor, thus making it the first ecosystem in Europe with its own rights. This follows similar decisions in some other countries:
@johncarlosbaez Here in the US one of our supreme court justices proposed "trees have standing" etc like 60 years ago, but in true US fashion we have people at the cutting edge who are then promptly ignored and steamrolled as if they never existed.
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Unfortunately, this is offset by Citizens United, which gives rights to corporations@BartoszMilewski - The posts by @pluralistic that I was advertising compare these two things: corporations as persons with rights and natural entities like rivers as persons with rights. Then he brings in the question of whether and when AIs will get rights.
Some have noted that corporate heads like AI and AI agents because (they hope) it's like having workers without rights.
I have always argued that the easiest route for AIs to get legal rights and personhood is by becoming corporations. The same could be true for natural entities!
Cory Doctorow (@pluralistic@mamot.fr)
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@BartoszMilewski - The posts by @pluralistic that I was advertising compare these two things: corporations as persons with rights and natural entities like rivers as persons with rights. Then he brings in the question of whether and when AIs will get rights.
Some have noted that corporate heads like AI and AI agents because (they hope) it's like having workers without rights.
I have always argued that the easiest route for AIs to get legal rights and personhood is by becoming corporations. The same could be true for natural entities!
Cory Doctorow (@pluralistic@mamot.fr)
Content warning: Long thread/2
Mamot - Le Mastodon de La Quadrature du Net (mamot.fr)
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Corporate personhood is very fundamental legal concept across the world. It allows a collective entity to act as a single unit under the law. Like enter into contracts, sue and be sued, pay taxes.
Just because the US uses the concept to legalize corruption (Citizens United) and push religion (Burwell v. Hobby Lobby), does not mean giving collective entities rights is a bad idea. It's fundamental.
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Corporate personhood is very fundamental legal concept across the world. It allows a collective entity to act as a single unit under the law. Like enter into contracts, sue and be sued, pay taxes.
Just because the US uses the concept to legalize corruption (Citizens United) and push religion (Burwell v. Hobby Lobby), does not mean giving collective entities rights is a bad idea. It's fundamental.
@tinkel Thanks, as IANAL. Does it follow that giving them rights via personhood is the best approach now?
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@tinkel Thanks, as IANAL. Does it follow that giving them rights via personhood is the best approach now?
@A_J_Millar Depends on the rights, duties and their limits.
EU leads the way: Transparency register and lobbying cap are opposite of US Citizen United. Moving towards "corporate fault" where corporate liability is not always connected to individual wrongdoing, but can be result of corporate organization and governance. Limiting separate personhood of subsidiaries is also good move from EU.
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