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Would you be surprised to find out that the facebook "smart" glasses have been outsourcing the video for review and processing to Nairobi?

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  • cubeofcheese@mstdn.socialC cubeofcheese@mstdn.social

    @lilithian @futurebird is it possible they can continue recording after taking them off? Where do you set your glasses down in a bedroom?
    So is it possible some of these cases weren't even purposeful?

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    @cubeofcheese @lilithian

    " is it possible they can continue recording after taking them off? "

    Yes they outline one such case in the article I think.

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    • complexmath@hachyderm.ioC complexmath@hachyderm.io

      @futurebird @secretsloth when AR started being a thing I thought “oh wow, airplane engine repair people could get an entire HUD for part status, last replacement time, and schematics when they look at a thing” and while it turned out that was wildly ambitious for the tech at the time, no one seems to even be trying to do things like that because surveillance, games, and porn make more money.

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      @complexmath @futurebird @secretsloth That seems like a genuinely cool use of technology that is probably quite feasible to do WELL now and also likely would be appreciated by actual people in those jobs (easier than context switching to look at a maintenance log on some other screen or whatever). But also one that you REALLY can't use an LLM for because getting it wrong even a little could be disastrous.

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      • complexmath@hachyderm.ioC complexmath@hachyderm.io

        @futurebird @secretsloth when AR started being a thing I thought “oh wow, airplane engine repair people could get an entire HUD for part status, last replacement time, and schematics when they look at a thing” and while it turned out that was wildly ambitious for the tech at the time, no one seems to even be trying to do things like that because surveillance, games, and porn make more money.

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        @complexmath @futurebird @secretsloth That was why I was tempted to put a preorder on LaForge glasses. Of course, they turned out to be vaporware.

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        • complexmath@hachyderm.ioC complexmath@hachyderm.io

          @futurebird @secretsloth when AR started being a thing I thought “oh wow, airplane engine repair people could get an entire HUD for part status, last replacement time, and schematics when they look at a thing” and while it turned out that was wildly ambitious for the tech at the time, no one seems to even be trying to do things like that because surveillance, games, and porn make more money.

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          @complexmath @futurebird @secretsloth I remember this being a literal plot device in Michael Crichton’s AIRFRAME. It seemed so cool and obviously useful!

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          • complexmath@hachyderm.ioC complexmath@hachyderm.io

            @futurebird @secretsloth when AR started being a thing I thought “oh wow, airplane engine repair people could get an entire HUD for part status, last replacement time, and schematics when they look at a thing” and while it turned out that was wildly ambitious for the tech at the time, no one seems to even be trying to do things like that because surveillance, games, and porn make more money.

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            @complexmath @futurebird @secretsloth I went to a VR-adjacent trade show like ... 20 years ago?... and aircraft maintenance AR was a thing a bunch of people were working towards. I don't know if it didn't pan out, or if it's old hat now, or what

            Even without real lock-to-the-environment AR, a HUD with next steps and instructions seems like it should be super useful when your hands are full of tools

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            • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

              Would you be surprised to find out that the facebook "smart" glasses have been outsourcing the video for review and processing to Nairobi?

              Wealthy people once lived with vast staffs who cooked and cleaned for them, and who often knew intimate details of the lives of the powerful.

              Now we have found a way for the rich to outsource ... thinking. Off-load mental work to minds half way around the world. We are suppose to pretend AI is doing this work.

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              ICO writes to Meta over 'concerning' AI smart glasses report

              Videos, including of glasses-wearers using the toilet or having sex, are sometimes reviewed by a Kenya-based subcontractor.

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              (www.bbc.com)

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              @futurebird

              Mechanical turk.

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              • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                @lilithian

                I think we know why in some cases. It's a power thing in a way. A kind of exhibitionism.

                Also they may save the video for later.

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                @futurebird@sauropods.win @lilithian@pagan.plus

                they may save the video for later

                this is litrrally black mirror plot <img class="not-responsive emoji" src="https://outerheaven.club/emoji/blobcat/blobcatgrimacing.png" title=":blobcatgrimacing:" />
                (not that we haven't had enough black mirror irl already)

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                • complexmath@hachyderm.ioC complexmath@hachyderm.io

                  @futurebird @secretsloth when AR started being a thing I thought “oh wow, airplane engine repair people could get an entire HUD for part status, last replacement time, and schematics when they look at a thing” and while it turned out that was wildly ambitious for the tech at the time, no one seems to even be trying to do things like that because surveillance, games, and porn make more money.

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                  @complexmath @futurebird @secretsloth yea it turns out that having incredibly detailed 3d models of every component involved is many orders of magnitude more expensive than anticipated, both computationally and in personal labor.
                  I've been involved in modern AR for the past two years and my takeaway is it's still not even close to ready. Not the hardware, not the infrastructure, not the programming models, and don't get me started on the UX.

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                  • hattifattener@wandering.shopH hattifattener@wandering.shop

                    @complexmath @futurebird @secretsloth I went to a VR-adjacent trade show like ... 20 years ago?... and aircraft maintenance AR was a thing a bunch of people were working towards. I don't know if it didn't pan out, or if it's old hat now, or what

                    Even without real lock-to-the-environment AR, a HUD with next steps and instructions seems like it should be super useful when your hands are full of tools

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                    @hattifattener @complexmath @futurebird @secretsloth the headsets that have the resolution you need for that kind of HUD are some combination of too heavy, too expensive, and obscure vision to much. There are people working on it still but it's not there.

                    Also concerns about deskilling, outages, ongoing costs...

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                    • r343l@freeradical.zoneR r343l@freeradical.zone

                      @complexmath @futurebird @secretsloth That seems like a genuinely cool use of technology that is probably quite feasible to do WELL now and also likely would be appreciated by actual people in those jobs (easier than context switching to look at a maintenance log on some other screen or whatever). But also one that you REALLY can't use an LLM for because getting it wrong even a little could be disastrous.

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                      @r343l @complexmath @futurebird @secretsloth > But also one that you REALLY can't use an LLM for because getting it wrong even a little could be disastrous.

                      For LLM fans there is no such thing. Modern AR development is riddled with it.

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                      • llewelly@sauropods.winL llewelly@sauropods.win

                        @futurebird no, I thought Canvas had thoroughly monopolized all the underpaid overworked workers of Nairobi in its surveillance of US, CA, and EU students. Kind of impressed there are some left over for meta's raybans.

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                        @llewelly @futurebird They jumped ship to become paid voyeurs.

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                        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                          Would you be surprised to find out that the facebook "smart" glasses have been outsourcing the video for review and processing to Nairobi?

                          Wealthy people once lived with vast staffs who cooked and cleaned for them, and who often knew intimate details of the lives of the powerful.

                          Now we have found a way for the rich to outsource ... thinking. Off-load mental work to minds half way around the world. We are suppose to pretend AI is doing this work.

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                          ICO writes to Meta over 'concerning' AI smart glasses report

                          Videos, including of glasses-wearers using the toilet or having sex, are sometimes reviewed by a Kenya-based subcontractor.

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                          (www.bbc.com)

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                          @futurebird so this time ‘AI’ is African Intelligence?

                          To think, we could have invested trillions into that, but instead we gave it to techbros.

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                          • complexmath@hachyderm.ioC complexmath@hachyderm.io

                            @futurebird @secretsloth when AR started being a thing I thought “oh wow, airplane engine repair people could get an entire HUD for part status, last replacement time, and schematics when they look at a thing” and while it turned out that was wildly ambitious for the tech at the time, no one seems to even be trying to do things like that because surveillance, games, and porn make more money.

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                            Aw, I knew someone working on exactly that HUD decades ago! I thought it had become useful. Maybe only at Boeing? …maybe only old Boeing?

                            @complexmath @futurebird @secretsloth

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                            • kevingranade@mastodon.gamedev.placeK kevingranade@mastodon.gamedev.place

                              @r343l @complexmath @futurebird @secretsloth > But also one that you REALLY can't use an LLM for because getting it wrong even a little could be disastrous.

                              For LLM fans there is no such thing. Modern AR development is riddled with it.

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                              @kevingranade @complexmath @futurebird @secretsloth Depressingly unsurprising. But thinking about for something like airplane repair, it seems absurd to even consider using an LLM. 😕

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                              • complexmath@hachyderm.ioC complexmath@hachyderm.io

                                @futurebird @secretsloth when AR started being a thing I thought “oh wow, airplane engine repair people could get an entire HUD for part status, last replacement time, and schematics when they look at a thing” and while it turned out that was wildly ambitious for the tech at the time, no one seems to even be trying to do things like that because surveillance, games, and porn make more money.

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                                @complexmath NASA has used the Hololens on ISS and for Orion assembly...this is a press release so take it as you will...but it seems like they've made it useful.

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                                To the moon and beyond: How HoloLens 2 is helping build NASA’s Orion spacecraft - Source

                                When workers for Lockheed Martin began assembling the crew seats for a spacecraft designed to return astronauts to the moon and pave the way for human exploration to Mars, they had no need for paper instructions or tablet screens to work from. Everything they needed to see — from animations of how pieces fit together […]

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                                • r343l@freeradical.zoneR r343l@freeradical.zone

                                  @kevingranade @complexmath @futurebird @secretsloth Depressingly unsurprising. But thinking about for something like airplane repair, it seems absurd to even consider using an LLM. 😕

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                                  @r343l @complexmath @futurebird @secretsloth I also used to work in avionics...
                                  You probably don't want my opinions on this.

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                                  • sam@break3.socialS sam@break3.social

                                    @futurebird@sauropods.win @lilithian@pagan.plus the better question is how, I know I’d never sleep or be able to take some seriously when sleeping with them if they had them on

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                                    @sam @futurebird the idea was how stupid they look, yeah. i just couldnt do it idk.

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                                    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                      Would you be surprised to find out that the facebook "smart" glasses have been outsourcing the video for review and processing to Nairobi?

                                      Wealthy people once lived with vast staffs who cooked and cleaned for them, and who often knew intimate details of the lives of the powerful.

                                      Now we have found a way for the rich to outsource ... thinking. Off-load mental work to minds half way around the world. We are suppose to pretend AI is doing this work.

                                      Link Preview Image
                                      ICO writes to Meta over 'concerning' AI smart glasses report

                                      Videos, including of glasses-wearers using the toilet or having sex, are sometimes reviewed by a Kenya-based subcontractor.

                                      favicon

                                      (www.bbc.com)

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                                      @futurebird If your glasses are recording me and you get close enough they will be punched off your face.

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                                      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                        I can't help but think about how this tech might be used in better ways. What if instead of secretly sending the video off so that some person making next to nothing can identify the milk carton in the fridge or your brand of underwear...

                                        What about a pair of glasses that were paired that would let you show someone how to do a task by projecting a wire-frame of your body in the same orientation as yours over theirs?

                                        All while talking to each other?

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                                        @futurebird The “Be My Eyes” and similar apps had me thinking about an app that connects, say, seniors who would like to talk with people trying to learn their language, so that the older person can chat with their partner while showing them what everyday life is like in their country and provide real-time opportunities for the learner to ask questions and associate words with objects better.

                                        So like calling up your abuela-from-afar to talk with her while she makes dinner.

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                                        • ulrich_the_elder@thecanadian.socialU ulrich_the_elder@thecanadian.social

                                          @futurebird If your glasses are recording me and you get close enough they will be punched off your face.

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                                          @Ulrich_the_elder

                                          This must be why I've never seen them on the subway.

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