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Are Western Digital drives trustworthy these days.

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  • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

    Are Western Digital drives trustworthy these days. If I want to buy a pretty big non-flash hard drive for "backup and throw in a drawer" purposes, is this a good choice

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    @mcc@mastodon.social Don't buy portable HDDs. They're mostly SMR and prone to damage.

    Get a Purple (surveillance), Red Pro (NAS), Black (performance) or Gold (datacenter, but very pricey, only if you've got the money) if you're going for WD drives. Get a decent enclosure (there are a lot of cheap but unstable enclosure on the market), too.
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    • orca@nya.oneO orca@nya.one
      @mcc@mastodon.social Don't buy portable HDDs. They're mostly SMR and prone to damage.

      Get a Purple (surveillance), Red Pro (NAS), Black (performance) or Gold (datacenter, but very pricey, only if you've got the money) if you're going for WD drives. Get a decent enclosure (there are a lot of cheap but unstable enclosure on the market), too.
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      @Orca @mcc

      I would remind everyone that WD screwed every customer with the SMR debacle not long ago. They flat out, lied about their components, and rendered NAS devices useless for those expecting ultra-reliable hardware.

      My experience with WD externals, ala 'Passport' and 'MyBook', is that they struggle to stay connected and fluctuate wildly in transfer speeds.

      I switched over to Seagate IronWolfe, or at least Barracuda for desktops, and EXO or Helium filled.

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      The Cost Per Gigabyte of Hard Drives Over Time

      For hard drive prices, the race to zero is over: nobody won. As you’ll see, the hard drive pricing curve has flattened out.

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      • lumiworx@mastodon.socialL lumiworx@mastodon.social

        @Orca @mcc

        I would remind everyone that WD screwed every customer with the SMR debacle not long ago. They flat out, lied about their components, and rendered NAS devices useless for those expecting ultra-reliable hardware.

        My experience with WD externals, ala 'Passport' and 'MyBook', is that they struggle to stay connected and fluctuate wildly in transfer speeds.

        I switched over to Seagate IronWolfe, or at least Barracuda for desktops, and EXO or Helium filled.

        Link Preview Image
        The Cost Per Gigabyte of Hard Drives Over Time

        For hard drive prices, the race to zero is over: nobody won. As you’ll see, the hard drive pricing curve has flattened out.

        favicon

        Backblaze Blog | Cloud Storage & Cloud Backup (www.backblaze.com)

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        @Orca @mcc

        I think in the long run, it's better for me to get the drive I want as an internal and buy an enclosure to fit it for external use. USB 3.1 if possible, and USB-C if it's practical.

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        • lumiworx@mastodon.socialL lumiworx@mastodon.social

          @Orca @mcc

          I would remind everyone that WD screwed every customer with the SMR debacle not long ago. They flat out, lied about their components, and rendered NAS devices useless for those expecting ultra-reliable hardware.

          My experience with WD externals, ala 'Passport' and 'MyBook', is that they struggle to stay connected and fluctuate wildly in transfer speeds.

          I switched over to Seagate IronWolfe, or at least Barracuda for desktops, and EXO or Helium filled.

          Link Preview Image
          The Cost Per Gigabyte of Hard Drives Over Time

          For hard drive prices, the race to zero is over: nobody won. As you’ll see, the hard drive pricing curve has flattened out.

          favicon

          Backblaze Blog | Cloud Storage & Cloud Backup (www.backblaze.com)

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          @lumiworx@mastodon.social @mcc@mastodon.social
          Yeah that's why I said "Red Pro", not "Red", because "WD Red" is where WD slipped SMR in. Damn them.

          Also isn't Seagate Barracuda also have a few SMR models?
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          • orca@nya.oneO orca@nya.one
            @lumiworx@mastodon.social @mcc@mastodon.social
            Yeah that's why I said "Red Pro", not "Red", because "WD Red" is where WD slipped SMR in. Damn them.

            Also isn't Seagate Barracuda also have a few SMR models?
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            @Orca @mcc

            For Barracuda... yes, most have SMR until you get to the 'Pro' series, which are mostly CMR.

            I suggested "at least a Baracuda" as they were engineered to be business-class drives and had better performance for standard hard drives. If you're stuck at purchase time with fewer choices, then they will offer a minimum of quality for heavier demand users.

            After getting stung on 3 consecutive WD Red failures after the silent switch over from CMR to SMR... ugh!

            https://www.seagate.com/products/cmr-smr-list/

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            • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

              Are Western Digital drives trustworthy these days. If I want to buy a pretty big non-flash hard drive for "backup and throw in a drawer" purposes, is this a good choice

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              ME: I want a 5 TB hard drive

              Amazon: We can do that

              Canada Computers: I can give you 12 TB for twice the price

              Christine: Wait, Canada Computers has 12 TB drives for *how* much? Get two

              Me, walking back from yonge-dundas square the next morning, absolutely twisted, carrying 24 TB of platter drives:

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              • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                ME: I want a 5 TB hard drive

                Amazon: We can do that

                Canada Computers: I can give you 12 TB for twice the price

                Christine: Wait, Canada Computers has 12 TB drives for *how* much? Get two

                Me, walking back from yonge-dundas square the next morning, absolutely twisted, carrying 24 TB of platter drives:

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                @mcc I got the last of my disks shipped to me from the US, and I have about 200TB of storage in the house.

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                • cliftonr@wandering.shopC cliftonr@wandering.shop

                  @mcc

                  Now I see you're thinking about those portable drive-in-a-box things, I would not trust any brand of those. I've seen too many, of many different brands, abruptly die on people.

                  My wife has a WD Passport from & for her job, and that's been doing OK but I still wouldn't trust it.

                  On my desktop computer I use one of the USB-3 to SATA adapter thingies that you can plug any SATA drive into and have it show up.

                  If you want to carry it around, then ya, you have to figure out an enclosure.

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                  @CliftonR @mcc many of those external from the factory Heads are "shingled" sectors, which write a lot slower and have very high failure rates.

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                  • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                    ME: I want a 5 TB hard drive

                    Amazon: We can do that

                    Canada Computers: I can give you 12 TB for twice the price

                    Christine: Wait, Canada Computers has 12 TB drives for *how* much? Get two

                    Me, walking back from yonge-dundas square the next morning, absolutely twisted, carrying 24 TB of platter drives:

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                    @mcc they’ve got 14tb drives for about $500 apparently, which

                    I need another couple 14tb drives but I don’t $1000 need them… but what if they get more expensive…

                    (alas, now is not the time for me to buy new hard drives anyway)

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                    • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                      ME: I want a 5 TB hard drive

                      Amazon: We can do that

                      Canada Computers: I can give you 12 TB for twice the price

                      Christine: Wait, Canada Computers has 12 TB drives for *how* much? Get two

                      Me, walking back from yonge-dundas square the next morning, absolutely twisted, carrying 24 TB of platter drives:

                      Link Preview Image
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                      Hey if I want to format an HD for archival purposes, and I want it to be accessible from both Windows* and Linux** without problems, do I use… exfat? Will exfat freak out if I format it at absurdly high sizes like 12 TB, or give me an annoyingly high "minimum file size" or something? Are there any more-reliable/journaled FSes that both these OSes are happy with?

                      * 10
                      ** Let's say Debian Trixie

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