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  3. The conservatives in the EU parliament, led by Manfred Weber, together with the far right, voted FOR drastic measurements against refugees.

The conservatives in the EU parliament, led by Manfred Weber, together with the far right, voted FOR drastic measurements against refugees.

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  • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ This user is from outside of this forum
    jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    The conservatives in the EU parliament, led by Manfred Weber, together with the far right, voted FOR drastic measurements against refugees. That was more important than to please the Big Corporations and the forces that want to destroy privacy so #ChatControl was avoided for the moment (but it is not gone). That's the TL;DR. Not really a win. Not really a loss.

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    • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

      The conservatives in the EU parliament, led by Manfred Weber, together with the far right, voted FOR drastic measurements against refugees. That was more important than to please the Big Corporations and the forces that want to destroy privacy so #ChatControl was avoided for the moment (but it is not gone). That's the TL;DR. Not really a win. Not really a loss.

      jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ This user is from outside of this forum
      jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ This user is from outside of this forum
      jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net
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      I will celebrate that #ChatControl 1.0 didn't make it. But I am aware that this win for liberal and left-leaning people came at the high price of a conservative-far right ad-hoc coalition that did evil things today. The EU parliament is no longer a reliable defender of human rights and freedom for all. So a bitter taste remains.

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      • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

        I will celebrate that #ChatControl 1.0 didn't make it. But I am aware that this win for liberal and left-leaning people came at the high price of a conservative-far right ad-hoc coalition that did evil things today. The EU parliament is no longer a reliable defender of human rights and freedom for all. So a bitter taste remains.

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        @jwildeboer It was at #FOSDEM25 when I talked with MdEPs in the Parliament and they told me "the firewall to the right has already fallen." Manfred Weber is a liar, he never intended to NOT work with the right wing racists. He only cloaked his true intentions, that was the impression of his centrist and center-left colleagues that I talked to. I was surprised that he could carry on with this for so long.

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        • mfeilner@mastodon.socialM mfeilner@mastodon.social

          @jwildeboer It was at #FOSDEM25 when I talked with MdEPs in the Parliament and they told me "the firewall to the right has already fallen." Manfred Weber is a liar, he never intended to NOT work with the right wing racists. He only cloaked his true intentions, that was the impression of his centrist and center-left colleagues that I talked to. I was surprised that he could carry on with this for so long.

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          @mfeilner Manfred Weber is preparing to become the next commission president, he desperately wants to be von der Leyen's successor.

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          • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

            I will celebrate that #ChatControl 1.0 didn't make it. But I am aware that this win for liberal and left-leaning people came at the high price of a conservative-far right ad-hoc coalition that did evil things today. The EU parliament is no longer a reliable defender of human rights and freedom for all. So a bitter taste remains.

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            Most media outlets have already decided that the asylum policy story and the cooperation between Weber's EPP and the far-right is the headline story. The ChatControl story will not play a major role in the news rotation today. I expected that. Doesn't reduce my happiness that we won this round too, though 🙂

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            • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

              Most media outlets have already decided that the asylum policy story and the cooperation between Weber's EPP and the far-right is the headline story. The ChatControl story will not play a major role in the news rotation today. I expected that. Doesn't reduce my happiness that we won this round too, though 🙂

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              So please, all, do me a favour and send a nice and honest Thank You note to the the MEPs (Members of the European Parliament) that made sure that ChatControl 1.0 didn't make it. Tell them how relieved you are that they helped to make this possible.

              Update: https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/189270 to see who voted against.

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              • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                I will celebrate that #ChatControl 1.0 didn't make it. But I am aware that this win for liberal and left-leaning people came at the high price of a conservative-far right ad-hoc coalition that did evil things today. The EU parliament is no longer a reliable defender of human rights and freedom for all. So a bitter taste remains.

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                @jwildeboer thanks for voicing this duality, I had a similar feeling reading both messages but the chatcontrol were all celebratory.

                Are you saying it was an exchange of support? Like we vote against chatcontrol if you support us with X?

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                • solardavy@climatejustice.socialS solardavy@climatejustice.social

                  @jwildeboer thanks for voicing this duality, I had a similar feeling reading both messages but the chatcontrol were all celebratory.

                  Are you saying it was an exchange of support? Like we vote against chatcontrol if you support us with X?

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                  @SolarDavy No. The asylum policy topic was simply more relevant today. The ChatControl vote was less "sexy". That maybe was the best that could happen. So irrelevant that it made it ;).

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                  • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                    I will celebrate that #ChatControl 1.0 didn't make it. But I am aware that this win for liberal and left-leaning people came at the high price of a conservative-far right ad-hoc coalition that did evil things today. The EU parliament is no longer a reliable defender of human rights and freedom for all. So a bitter taste remains.

                    znexhf_svax@social.cologneZ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @jwildeboer the european idea dies in the european parliament — and the commission of 2nd term UvdL is not of any help either

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                    • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                      So please, all, do me a favour and send a nice and honest Thank You note to the the MEPs (Members of the European Parliament) that made sure that ChatControl 1.0 didn't make it. Tell them how relieved you are that they helped to make this possible.

                      Update: https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/189270 to see who voted against.

                      bogo@hapyyr.comB This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @jwildeboer is there a way to see who voted?

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                      • bogo@hapyyr.comB bogo@hapyyr.com

                        @jwildeboer is there a way to see who voted?

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                        @bogo Link added.

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