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Noam Chomsky is one of those people that some people will defend reflexively without even thinking.

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  • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

    Some people are absolutely refusing to understand the abuse culture that the Epstein files are pulling back the curtain on.

    Epstein's "friends" were all accomplices. Stop making excuses. I don't need to establish whether Chomsky physically harmed a child himself to state with confidence that he was complicit as fuck.

    If Chomsky is 1/3 as smart as some people think he is, then he understood just fine what was going on.

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    Not to mention that a man embedded with the ultra elite & privy to their private conversations cannot be taken seriously as a thinker. He is a traitor. His loyalties are not with us but with them.

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    • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

      Some people are absolutely refusing to understand the abuse culture that the Epstein files are pulling back the curtain on.

      Epstein's "friends" were all accomplices. Stop making excuses. I don't need to establish whether Chomsky physically harmed a child himself to state with confidence that he was complicit as fuck.

      If Chomsky is 1/3 as smart as some people think he is, then he understood just fine what was going on.

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      @artemis Some people have never killed their idols and it shows.

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      • quinn@social.circl.luQ quinn@social.circl.lu

        @artemis I'm kind of feeling vindicated because I always thought he was sus as hell and got beef from my leftist friends for it.

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        @quinn
        Yep. You called it.

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        • lykso@tiny.tilde.websiteL lykso@tiny.tilde.website

          @artemis Some people have never killed their idols and it shows.

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          @lykso
          I might need to put this on a T-shirt.

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          • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

            Not to mention that a man embedded with the ultra elite & privy to their private conversations cannot be taken seriously as a thinker. He is a traitor. His loyalties are not with us but with them.

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            And let me just say this: we don't freaking need Chomsky.

            Yes, I have read things he has written that seemed true & useful. You know where else you can find similar insights? In a million fucking other places from people who are NOT among the "intellectual elite" & who do not rub elbows with a whole community of abusive oppressors.

            Read stuff written by Black people. By indigenous people. By people who are not in the power establishment.

            I *promise you*, you don't need Chomsky.

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            • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

              Noam Chomsky is one of those people that some people will defend reflexively without even thinking.

              Try not to have powerful people that you defend reflexively without even thinking.

              That's abuse culture.

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              @artemis Chomsky set off red flags for me even before the latest revelations. I don't even remember what the first clue was.

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              • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                Why TF in the year 2026 is anyone who wants to be taken seriously saying "this man's work is too valuable for it to matter how he harmed women & girls"?

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                @artemis Because in the year 2026, the attitude that women and girls are objects for use and not really even people is more mainstream than ever.

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                • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                  Noam Chomsky is one of those people that some people will defend reflexively without even thinking.

                  Try not to have powerful people that you defend reflexively without even thinking.

                  That's abuse culture.

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                  @artemis I don't know who Noam Chomsky and I am hoping someone offers a description of what type of work made him famous.

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                  • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                    And let me just say this: we don't freaking need Chomsky.

                    Yes, I have read things he has written that seemed true & useful. You know where else you can find similar insights? In a million fucking other places from people who are NOT among the "intellectual elite" & who do not rub elbows with a whole community of abusive oppressors.

                    Read stuff written by Black people. By indigenous people. By people who are not in the power establishment.

                    I *promise you*, you don't need Chomsky.

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                    If you're defending Chomsky because you think we need him & his insight, I think you should try broadening your reading list.

                    I'm serious. Marginalized folks (and the folks who actually live & work in solidarity with them) can offer you so much more & open up your imagination in transformative ways.

                    We don't need the intellectual elite. We definitely don't need anyone who is "well respected" among dishonorable & abusive people.

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                    • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                      Not to mention that a man embedded with the ultra elite & privy to their private conversations cannot be taken seriously as a thinker. He is a traitor. His loyalties are not with us but with them.

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                      @artemis a huge traitor. so bad i hope the IWW has rescinded his membership.

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                      • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                        If you're defending Chomsky because you think we need him & his insight, I think you should try broadening your reading list.

                        I'm serious. Marginalized folks (and the folks who actually live & work in solidarity with them) can offer you so much more & open up your imagination in transformative ways.

                        We don't need the intellectual elite. We definitely don't need anyone who is "well respected" among dishonorable & abusive people.

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                        @artemis
                        Nobody needs more white dude ideas lol.

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                        • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                          @lykso
                          I might need to put this on a T-shirt.

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                          @lykso @artemis i might cut some lino to make a patch, or maybe a shirt if i can find some decent blank shirts.

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                          • shadowfals@toot.catS shadowfals@toot.cat

                            @artemis I don't know who Noam Chomsky and I am hoping someone offers a description of what type of work made him famous.

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                            @shadowfals
                            Someone else could do a better job summarizing him, but he's a public "leftist" intellectual. In his heyday he was frequently the only supposed "far left" guy getting high profile interviews & he was kind of supposed to be a one-of-a-kind genius.

                            Now that we know he was besties with billionaires, it's easy to see why HIS was the "leftist" voice that was given air.

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                            • quinn@social.circl.luQ quinn@social.circl.lu

                              @artemis I'm kind of feeling vindicated because I always thought he was sus as hell and got beef from my leftist friends for it.

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                              @artemis @quinn

                              let's look at his record:

                              > supported the invasion of Vietnam
                              > signed a letter against BDS alongside J.K. Rowling and Thom Yorke
                              > pedo shit with Epstein
                              > hobnobbing with Steve Bannon

                              i guess those "debates" with Alan Dershowitz were really just for show.

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                              • shadowfals@toot.catS shadowfals@toot.cat

                                @artemis I don't know who Noam Chomsky and I am hoping someone offers a description of what type of work made him famous.

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                                @artemis @shadowfals

                                wikipedia will be more helpful to answer that question.

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                                • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                                  If you're defending Chomsky because you think we need him & his insight, I think you should try broadening your reading list.

                                  I'm serious. Marginalized folks (and the folks who actually live & work in solidarity with them) can offer you so much more & open up your imagination in transformative ways.

                                  We don't need the intellectual elite. We definitely don't need anyone who is "well respected" among dishonorable & abusive people.

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                                  I always end up linking to Firestorm, but I am freaking in love with their curated catalog. I've ordered several books from them just based on description with no prior knowledge, & every single one has been 🔥.

                                  A huge number of them are written by people along multiple axes of oppression. Also they throw in goodies sometimes like zines & other additional materials. That's how I found Crimethinc!

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                                  Cooperation, Connection, Collective Liberation

                                  Firestorm is a radical bookstore co-operative & community event space in Asheville, NC. Browse staff picks, bestsellers, and more!

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                                  • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                                    Noam Chomsky is one of those people that some people will defend reflexively without even thinking.

                                    Try not to have powerful people that you defend reflexively without even thinking.

                                    That's abuse culture.

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                                    @artemis
                                    I just threw away a bunch of his books.

                                    Maybe he didn't have sex with any underage or trafficked women, I don't know, and can't know.
                                    But I know stink when I smell it, and him corresponding with Epstein after the sentencing just reeks.
                                    Chomsky willingly engaged with and provided support for that guy, and for that, they can both go to hell

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                                    • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                                      Why TF in the year 2026 is anyone who wants to be taken seriously saying "this man's work is too valuable for it to matter how he harmed women & girls"?

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                                      @artemis
                                      Nobody's work is "too important"

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                                      • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                                        And let me just say this: we don't freaking need Chomsky.

                                        Yes, I have read things he has written that seemed true & useful. You know where else you can find similar insights? In a million fucking other places from people who are NOT among the "intellectual elite" & who do not rub elbows with a whole community of abusive oppressors.

                                        Read stuff written by Black people. By indigenous people. By people who are not in the power establishment.

                                        I *promise you*, you don't need Chomsky.

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                                        @artemis Chomsky hasn’t been needed for decades. Chomsky was a convenient bozo detector for anybody in progressive circles ever since Srebrenica.

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                                        • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                                          I always end up linking to Firestorm, but I am freaking in love with their curated catalog. I've ordered several books from them just based on description with no prior knowledge, & every single one has been 🔥.

                                          A huge number of them are written by people along multiple axes of oppression. Also they throw in goodies sometimes like zines & other additional materials. That's how I found Crimethinc!

                                          Link Preview Image
                                          Cooperation, Connection, Collective Liberation

                                          Firestorm is a radical bookstore co-operative & community event space in Asheville, NC. Browse staff picks, bestsellers, and more!

                                          favicon

                                          (firestorm.coop)

                                          @firestorm
                                          @CrimethInc

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                                          If you want to have your mind expanded, want to come to new & different ways of organizing the world to end violence & oppression, you should go somewhere other than old white dudes with a vested interest in the existing system.

                                          Honestly, we shouldn't put aside the abusive, predatory people he cozied up to, but aside from that Chomsky invested heavily with Epstein. The world's premiere leftist thinker has enough capital to "invest heavily". Dude ain't who he says he is.

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