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Noam Chomsky is one of those people that some people will defend reflexively without even thinking.

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  • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

    "Noam Chomsky didn't abuse any girls".

    Um, my friend, how can you possibly confidently state that like you know that for sure? Especially when Chomsky has now been exposed as having a lot of correspondence with Epstein, mentioned how excited he was for "the Caribbean island", & told Epstein he was sorry that he was having "Me Too" problems & commiserated about how terrible it is to have women speaking up about abuse. To name a couple things.

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    Weird that you would give a man in that situation "the benefit of the doubt", honestly.

    The man knew about the sexual abuse, didn't think it should be exposed, & palled around with these folks in settings where this abuse was happening. Whether or not he physically touched one of Epstein's victims, he participated in their abuse.

    I don't care what good ideas you think Chomsky has had. He's a piece of shit & a traitor to humanity

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    • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

      Weird that you would give a man in that situation "the benefit of the doubt", honestly.

      The man knew about the sexual abuse, didn't think it should be exposed, & palled around with these folks in settings where this abuse was happening. Whether or not he physically touched one of Epstein's victims, he participated in their abuse.

      I don't care what good ideas you think Chomsky has had. He's a piece of shit & a traitor to humanity

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      Why TF in the year 2026 is anyone who wants to be taken seriously saying "this man's work is too valuable for it to matter how he harmed women & girls"?

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      • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

        Noam Chomsky is one of those people that some people will defend reflexively without even thinking.

        Try not to have powerful people that you defend reflexively without even thinking.

        That's abuse culture.

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        @artemis I'm kind of feeling vindicated because I always thought he was sus as hell and got beef from my leftist friends for it.

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        • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

          Why TF in the year 2026 is anyone who wants to be taken seriously saying "this man's work is too valuable for it to matter how he harmed women & girls"?

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          Some people are absolutely refusing to understand the abuse culture that the Epstein files are pulling back the curtain on.

          Epstein's "friends" were all accomplices. Stop making excuses. I don't need to establish whether Chomsky physically harmed a child himself to state with confidence that he was complicit as fuck.

          If Chomsky is 1/3 as smart as some people think he is, then he understood just fine what was going on.

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          • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

            Some people are absolutely refusing to understand the abuse culture that the Epstein files are pulling back the curtain on.

            Epstein's "friends" were all accomplices. Stop making excuses. I don't need to establish whether Chomsky physically harmed a child himself to state with confidence that he was complicit as fuck.

            If Chomsky is 1/3 as smart as some people think he is, then he understood just fine what was going on.

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            Not to mention that a man embedded with the ultra elite & privy to their private conversations cannot be taken seriously as a thinker. He is a traitor. His loyalties are not with us but with them.

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            • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

              Some people are absolutely refusing to understand the abuse culture that the Epstein files are pulling back the curtain on.

              Epstein's "friends" were all accomplices. Stop making excuses. I don't need to establish whether Chomsky physically harmed a child himself to state with confidence that he was complicit as fuck.

              If Chomsky is 1/3 as smart as some people think he is, then he understood just fine what was going on.

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              @artemis Some people have never killed their idols and it shows.

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              • quinn@social.circl.luQ quinn@social.circl.lu

                @artemis I'm kind of feeling vindicated because I always thought he was sus as hell and got beef from my leftist friends for it.

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                @quinn
                Yep. You called it.

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                • lykso@tiny.tilde.websiteL lykso@tiny.tilde.website

                  @artemis Some people have never killed their idols and it shows.

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                  @lykso
                  I might need to put this on a T-shirt.

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                  • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                    Not to mention that a man embedded with the ultra elite & privy to their private conversations cannot be taken seriously as a thinker. He is a traitor. His loyalties are not with us but with them.

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                    And let me just say this: we don't freaking need Chomsky.

                    Yes, I have read things he has written that seemed true & useful. You know where else you can find similar insights? In a million fucking other places from people who are NOT among the "intellectual elite" & who do not rub elbows with a whole community of abusive oppressors.

                    Read stuff written by Black people. By indigenous people. By people who are not in the power establishment.

                    I *promise you*, you don't need Chomsky.

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                    • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                      Noam Chomsky is one of those people that some people will defend reflexively without even thinking.

                      Try not to have powerful people that you defend reflexively without even thinking.

                      That's abuse culture.

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                      @artemis Chomsky set off red flags for me even before the latest revelations. I don't even remember what the first clue was.

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                      • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                        Why TF in the year 2026 is anyone who wants to be taken seriously saying "this man's work is too valuable for it to matter how he harmed women & girls"?

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                        @artemis Because in the year 2026, the attitude that women and girls are objects for use and not really even people is more mainstream than ever.

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                        • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                          Noam Chomsky is one of those people that some people will defend reflexively without even thinking.

                          Try not to have powerful people that you defend reflexively without even thinking.

                          That's abuse culture.

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                          @artemis I don't know who Noam Chomsky and I am hoping someone offers a description of what type of work made him famous.

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                          • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                            And let me just say this: we don't freaking need Chomsky.

                            Yes, I have read things he has written that seemed true & useful. You know where else you can find similar insights? In a million fucking other places from people who are NOT among the "intellectual elite" & who do not rub elbows with a whole community of abusive oppressors.

                            Read stuff written by Black people. By indigenous people. By people who are not in the power establishment.

                            I *promise you*, you don't need Chomsky.

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                            If you're defending Chomsky because you think we need him & his insight, I think you should try broadening your reading list.

                            I'm serious. Marginalized folks (and the folks who actually live & work in solidarity with them) can offer you so much more & open up your imagination in transformative ways.

                            We don't need the intellectual elite. We definitely don't need anyone who is "well respected" among dishonorable & abusive people.

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                            • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                              Not to mention that a man embedded with the ultra elite & privy to their private conversations cannot be taken seriously as a thinker. He is a traitor. His loyalties are not with us but with them.

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                              @artemis a huge traitor. so bad i hope the IWW has rescinded his membership.

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                              • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                                If you're defending Chomsky because you think we need him & his insight, I think you should try broadening your reading list.

                                I'm serious. Marginalized folks (and the folks who actually live & work in solidarity with them) can offer you so much more & open up your imagination in transformative ways.

                                We don't need the intellectual elite. We definitely don't need anyone who is "well respected" among dishonorable & abusive people.

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                                @artemis
                                Nobody needs more white dude ideas lol.

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                                • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                                  @lykso
                                  I might need to put this on a T-shirt.

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                                  @lykso @artemis i might cut some lino to make a patch, or maybe a shirt if i can find some decent blank shirts.

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                                  • shadowfals@toot.catS shadowfals@toot.cat

                                    @artemis I don't know who Noam Chomsky and I am hoping someone offers a description of what type of work made him famous.

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                                    @shadowfals
                                    Someone else could do a better job summarizing him, but he's a public "leftist" intellectual. In his heyday he was frequently the only supposed "far left" guy getting high profile interviews & he was kind of supposed to be a one-of-a-kind genius.

                                    Now that we know he was besties with billionaires, it's easy to see why HIS was the "leftist" voice that was given air.

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                                    • quinn@social.circl.luQ quinn@social.circl.lu

                                      @artemis I'm kind of feeling vindicated because I always thought he was sus as hell and got beef from my leftist friends for it.

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                                      @artemis @quinn

                                      let's look at his record:

                                      > supported the invasion of Vietnam
                                      > signed a letter against BDS alongside J.K. Rowling and Thom Yorke
                                      > pedo shit with Epstein
                                      > hobnobbing with Steve Bannon

                                      i guess those "debates" with Alan Dershowitz were really just for show.

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                                      • shadowfals@toot.catS shadowfals@toot.cat

                                        @artemis I don't know who Noam Chomsky and I am hoping someone offers a description of what type of work made him famous.

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                                        @artemis @shadowfals

                                        wikipedia will be more helpful to answer that question.

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                                        • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                                          If you're defending Chomsky because you think we need him & his insight, I think you should try broadening your reading list.

                                          I'm serious. Marginalized folks (and the folks who actually live & work in solidarity with them) can offer you so much more & open up your imagination in transformative ways.

                                          We don't need the intellectual elite. We definitely don't need anyone who is "well respected" among dishonorable & abusive people.

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