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  • krnlg@mastodon.socialK krnlg@mastodon.social

    @cstross
    But I suppose I'm talking about myself really. I don't mean that a scientist researching this stuff can't be kind. I mean that to me, going down the rabbit hole of the technical details of how a creature's mind works is not compatible with treating the creature as a being.

    I rescue flies if they get stuck in water. I hate this research.

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    @krnlg I get what you're saying here, treating all creatures as the ends rather than the means.

    But consider how happy you'd be in a world full of the suffering that we've learned how to prevent.

    I don't like it, but I accept the trade-off within ethical guidelines.

    @cstross

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    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

      @solitha @mwl If you want to keep up with the sciences in future you're going to have to get used to Indian English, or even learn Mandarin.

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      @cstross @mwl Heh, well, guess I'm doomed to ignorance.

      FWIW the writing itself was not an absolute block. The combo of crawler and writing (and maybe just being generally unfocused) had to all drag me down.

      But, um, Mandarin... I'll have to wait for the paid journos to bring those to light.

      It's all just as well, really. Breakthroughs today are not likely to see general application within the years I have left.

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      • pwassonchat@eldritch.cafeP pwassonchat@eldritch.cafe

        @cstross @mwl this may not be a coincidence: many LLMs were trained by humans in English-speaking countries with lower labor costs, and some common wordings we associate with LLMs actually come from the variants of English spoken in those countries.

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        @pwassonchat@eldritch.cafe @cstross@wandering.shop @mwl@io.mwl.io

        I'm not surprised by this at all

        after getting asked to "please do the needful" by some indian clients at an old job on a bunch of emails I had to figure the origin of the phrase

        Turns out it is a remament of old UK English that fell out of use elsewhere but still survives in Indian-English, as opposed to any sort of English as a second language grammatical "error", there were a bunch of other examples as well

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        • pwassonchat@eldritch.cafeP pwassonchat@eldritch.cafe

          @cstross @mwl this may not be a coincidence: many LLMs were trained by humans in English-speaking countries with lower labor costs, and some common wordings we associate with LLMs actually come from the variants of English spoken in those countries.

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          @pwassonchat @cstross @mwl https://marcusolang.substack.com/p/im-kenyan-i-dont-write-like-chatgpt

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          • eldadoinquieto@mastorol.esE eldadoinquieto@mastorol.es

            @cstross So it seems this could be the beginning of cortical stacks development, isn't it?

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            @eldadoinquieto No.

            This is evidence of three things:
            - the connectome doesn't generalize
            - the entire developmental pathway is required to get from the fusion of gametes to the organism
            - how the organism functions is developmentally dependent

            This matches current biology; developmental plasticity and selection explain how we've got what we see across life, including all of our own capabilities.

            There's some reason to believe we can't comprehend this well enough to apply design.

            @cstross

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            • graydon@canada.masto.hostG graydon@canada.masto.host

              @eldadoinquieto No.

              This is evidence of three things:
              - the connectome doesn't generalize
              - the entire developmental pathway is required to get from the fusion of gametes to the organism
              - how the organism functions is developmentally dependent

              This matches current biology; developmental plasticity and selection explain how we've got what we see across life, including all of our own capabilities.

              There's some reason to believe we can't comprehend this well enough to apply design.

              @cstross

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              @graydon @cstross Thank you for your explanation.

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              • pwassonchat@eldritch.cafeP pwassonchat@eldritch.cafe

                @cstross @mwl this may not be a coincidence: many LLMs were trained by humans in English-speaking countries with lower labor costs, and some common wordings we associate with LLMs actually come from the variants of English spoken in those countries.

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                @pwassonchat @cstross @mwl

                I started learning English at 15. I ended up studying English first in college, later at Uni, where I got an MA in Linguistics and later a post-grad in PR and Effective Communication. I'm also autistic and, especially when copy writing, very detail-oriented.

                Up until three years ago, I often received compliments for my writing. My uni essays from twenty years ago were packed with words and phrases that are now often flagged as AI.

                In the past few years, I have been accused of using AI a few times. Apparently, writing well and knowing Oxford / AP Press punctuation rules are now considered a liability, not an asset.

                I found myself actively dumbing down my writing a few times recently.

                We created a system where sceptics dismiss genuine images, videos and articles as AI, while the gullible believe obvious fakes.

                Carl Sagan was spot on with his predictions.

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