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  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

    @BoydStephenSmithJr If that's TV or film, I can't cope with TV or film. (Fucked eyeballs *and* a dose of what is probably AuDHD that means I don't have the attention span, either.)

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    @cstross It is TV. Sorry you can't enjoy it that way. I believe it is based on "The Gods ..." series by Ken Liu, if you can find that in print or audiobook. I've not read that series.

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    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

      ... The next step on from Drosophila, the mouse brain, is 560 times larger—never mind a vastly more complex human brain. And to get the murine connectome we'll have to chop up *a lot* of brains: a human upload won't pass any kind of medical ethics review at this point!

      But near-term, it's expected to yield "fundamentally new architectural principles for AI systems that are more sample-efficient, more robust, and more capable of behavioral generalization than current approaches"

      /5

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      @cstross maybe a Trump brain wouldn’t be that much more complex than a fruit fly, though I’m not sure it’s useful if we’re looking for replicating a decent human being’s processing.

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      • legit_spaghetti@mastodo.neoliber.alL legit_spaghetti@mastodo.neoliber.al

        @cstross So, if the behaviors and functions of a fruit fly brain arise not simply because you mash a whole bunch of neurons together and hope for the best but because of billions of years of natural selection, that to me is a precisely delivered bullet straight through the hear of the idea that current LLM-based "Ai" will yield human-like consciousness if only we make the models big enough.

        Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't add: Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.

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        @Legit_Spaghetti Er, are you sure you understand how evolution works? And the difference between a genetically fixed brain plan and one whose developmental plan includes variable neuronal migration as an inherent part of the process?

        @cstross

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        • breathoflife@infosec.exchangeB breathoflife@infosec.exchange

          @petealexharris @cstross

          it's a base 4 system, since you can have adenine-thymine, thymine-adenine, cytosine-guanine and guanine-cytosine pairs, so automatically you're storing far more information within a single place value compared to binary.

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          @breathOfLife @petealexharris @cstross Plus, some genes can overlap, so you can get a lot more instructional data in the same length of base-4 values than it seems.

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          • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

            @solitha @mwl If you want to keep up with the sciences in future you're going to have to get used to Indian English, or even learn Mandarin.

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            @cstross

            Heh heh.

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            • P phosphenes@mastodon.social

              @cstross

              Someone commented that now we've uploaded a fly brain it can eat virtual shit long after the rest of us are a distant memory.

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              @cstross

              By pure coincidence this came out today:

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              • krnlg@mastodon.socialK krnlg@mastodon.social

                @cstross
                But I suppose I'm talking about myself really. I don't mean that a scientist researching this stuff can't be kind. I mean that to me, going down the rabbit hole of the technical details of how a creature's mind works is not compatible with treating the creature as a being.

                I rescue flies if they get stuck in water. I hate this research.

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                @krnlg I get what you're saying here, treating all creatures as the ends rather than the means.

                But consider how happy you'd be in a world full of the suffering that we've learned how to prevent.

                I don't like it, but I accept the trade-off within ethical guidelines.

                @cstross

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                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                  @solitha @mwl If you want to keep up with the sciences in future you're going to have to get used to Indian English, or even learn Mandarin.

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                  @cstross @mwl Heh, well, guess I'm doomed to ignorance.

                  FWIW the writing itself was not an absolute block. The combo of crawler and writing (and maybe just being generally unfocused) had to all drag me down.

                  But, um, Mandarin... I'll have to wait for the paid journos to bring those to light.

                  It's all just as well, really. Breakthroughs today are not likely to see general application within the years I have left.

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                  • pwassonchat@eldritch.cafeP pwassonchat@eldritch.cafe

                    @cstross @mwl this may not be a coincidence: many LLMs were trained by humans in English-speaking countries with lower labor costs, and some common wordings we associate with LLMs actually come from the variants of English spoken in those countries.

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                    @pwassonchat@eldritch.cafe @cstross@wandering.shop @mwl@io.mwl.io

                    I'm not surprised by this at all

                    after getting asked to "please do the needful" by some indian clients at an old job on a bunch of emails I had to figure the origin of the phrase

                    Turns out it is a remament of old UK English that fell out of use elsewhere but still survives in Indian-English, as opposed to any sort of English as a second language grammatical "error", there were a bunch of other examples as well

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                    • pwassonchat@eldritch.cafeP pwassonchat@eldritch.cafe

                      @cstross @mwl this may not be a coincidence: many LLMs were trained by humans in English-speaking countries with lower labor costs, and some common wordings we associate with LLMs actually come from the variants of English spoken in those countries.

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                      @pwassonchat @cstross @mwl https://marcusolang.substack.com/p/im-kenyan-i-dont-write-like-chatgpt

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                      • eldadoinquieto@mastorol.esE eldadoinquieto@mastorol.es

                        @cstross So it seems this could be the beginning of cortical stacks development, isn't it?

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                        @eldadoinquieto No.

                        This is evidence of three things:
                        - the connectome doesn't generalize
                        - the entire developmental pathway is required to get from the fusion of gametes to the organism
                        - how the organism functions is developmentally dependent

                        This matches current biology; developmental plasticity and selection explain how we've got what we see across life, including all of our own capabilities.

                        There's some reason to believe we can't comprehend this well enough to apply design.

                        @cstross

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                        • graydon@canada.masto.hostG graydon@canada.masto.host

                          @eldadoinquieto No.

                          This is evidence of three things:
                          - the connectome doesn't generalize
                          - the entire developmental pathway is required to get from the fusion of gametes to the organism
                          - how the organism functions is developmentally dependent

                          This matches current biology; developmental plasticity and selection explain how we've got what we see across life, including all of our own capabilities.

                          There's some reason to believe we can't comprehend this well enough to apply design.

                          @cstross

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                          @graydon @cstross Thank you for your explanation.

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                          • pwassonchat@eldritch.cafeP pwassonchat@eldritch.cafe

                            @cstross @mwl this may not be a coincidence: many LLMs were trained by humans in English-speaking countries with lower labor costs, and some common wordings we associate with LLMs actually come from the variants of English spoken in those countries.

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                            @pwassonchat @cstross @mwl

                            I started learning English at 15. I ended up studying English first in college, later at Uni, where I got an MA in Linguistics and later a post-grad in PR and Effective Communication. I'm also autistic and, especially when copy writing, very detail-oriented.

                            Up until three years ago, I often received compliments for my writing. My uni essays from twenty years ago were packed with words and phrases that are now often flagged as AI.

                            In the past few years, I have been accused of using AI a few times. Apparently, writing well and knowing Oxford / AP Press punctuation rules are now considered a liability, not an asset.

                            I found myself actively dumbing down my writing a few times recently.

                            We created a system where sceptics dismiss genuine images, videos and articles as AI, while the gullible believe obvious fakes.

                            Carl Sagan was spot on with his predictions.

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