open source software developers are getting fed up and are finally recognizing that they can just fucking leave.
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@lunareclipse @chirpbirb yeah, as stated in the fucking license, maintainers don’t owe anything to anyone
Some months ago someone was trying to force me to accept their PR, I told multiple times that I will review it anytime soon when I have some energy again
They was still pushy, poking me every couple of weeks, sucking my energy like a vampire
So I took my distance to not suffer and now we’re 9 months later and I don’t give a fuck and will return when I’ll be ready
️@lunareclipse @chirpbirb I’m so pissed out of people acting like I am at their complete disposal that my latest works are using this license where the only condition is that there is absolutely no warranty in any way
> Usage of the works is permitted provided that this instrument is retained with the works, so that any entity that uses the works is notified of this instrument.
> DISCLAIMER: THE WORKS ARE WITHOUT WARRANTY. -
@lianna @chirpbirb as an eight year maintainer of a packaging tool for a popular programming language there is no fully acceptable way to deprecate features. Someone will loudly, annoyingly complain no matter what path is chosen. From my multiple personal experiences attempting this I will never fault a maintainer’s choice
@drbrain @chirpbirb I mean, not going ahead actively putting effort into implementing sabotage features to crash setups is pretty easy. The ideal – if not perfect – solution would probably have been a deprecation warning and that's it.
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@gsuberland @chirpbirb Malware is defined by software with unwanted, unexpected, malicious behaviour. Not every piece of malware needs to result in data breaches or something serious to be malware. Even a jumpscare screensaver is malware per definition.
Intentionally crashing your text editor if the maintainer is upset at your personal setup is pretty squarely in malware territory.
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open source software developers are getting fed up and are finally recognizing that they can just fucking leave.
- the owner of nvim-treesitter gets a really shitty comment from a user saying that the update to a required version broke their workflow
- the owner replies saying "hey just pin what you need instead of mainlining it if you need this for an older version"
- the shitty user replies back saying "go switch to something that doesn't require interacting with people"
- the owner says "OK." and ARCHIVES THE REPO
Why there are no releases? · nvim-treesitter/nvim-treesitter · Discussion #8627
Why there are no releases?
GitHub (github.com)
like, holy shit, what a power move.
This is funny as hell but I think the right move would have been to ban the shitty user
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@drbrain @chirpbirb I mean, not going ahead actively putting effort into implementing sabotage features to crash setups is pretty easy. The ideal – if not perfect – solution would probably have been a deprecation warning and that's it.
@lianna @chirpbirb warnings gave no fewer annoyed users and, when it was time to remove the functionality, the same types of complaints that lead to nvim-treesitter being archived
“You were warned” did not stop them, plus I had to deal with complaints about the warning for N extra months during the warning period
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open source software developers are getting fed up and are finally recognizing that they can just fucking leave.
- the owner of nvim-treesitter gets a really shitty comment from a user saying that the update to a required version broke their workflow
- the owner replies saying "hey just pin what you need instead of mainlining it if you need this for an older version"
- the shitty user replies back saying "go switch to something that doesn't require interacting with people"
- the owner says "OK." and ARCHIVES THE REPO
Why there are no releases? · nvim-treesitter/nvim-treesitter · Discussion #8627
Why there are no releases?
GitHub (github.com)
like, holy shit, what a power move.
@chirpbirb many moons ago I got fed up with the entitlement on the Undernet irc server I ran. I walked into the “machine room” (like I said, moons) and carried the server to my desk where I repurposed it as my workstation.
Petty? Yes. Childish? Kinda still was one. Satisfying? To this very day.
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@Yuvalne @gsuberland @chirpbirb I guess making people's setups crash if you don't like their software is now completely acceptable in Mastodon reply-guy land. what a wonderful eternal september we're having on fedi
@lianna @gsuberland @chirpbirb
step 1: make an experimental plugin an indispensable part of your workflow.
step 2: ignoring the implications of step 1, use said plugin in an undocumented way.
step 3: bully the maintainer into supporting your unsupported usage.
step 4: ???
step 5: profi– oh nvm we made the maintainer quit FOSS and now the indispensable plugin is abandonware. dang. didn't see that coming. -
@chirpbirb To be fair, making an at least somewhat functional plugin crash on some versions just because you don't officially support them is quite hostile and practically malware.
Of course they can maintain whatever versions they want, and the other guy is a dick, but deliberately making it crash when users use it "wrong" is quite toxic. Especially for something as essential as a text editor. Livelihoods could be at stake
SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
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open source software developers are getting fed up and are finally recognizing that they can just fucking leave.
- the owner of nvim-treesitter gets a really shitty comment from a user saying that the update to a required version broke their workflow
- the owner replies saying "hey just pin what you need instead of mainlining it if you need this for an older version"
- the shitty user replies back saying "go switch to something that doesn't require interacting with people"
- the owner says "OK." and ARCHIVES THE REPO
Why there are no releases? · nvim-treesitter/nvim-treesitter · Discussion #8627
Why there are no releases?
GitHub (github.com)
like, holy shit, what a power move.
@chirpbirb I remember back when I did the port of GIMP (and thus GTK and all that it depended on) to Windows, and had a mailing list called gimpwin-users or something like that.
Obviously, there were a lot of entitled users who were angry that I didn't fix their pet bugs very quickly. At around the same time, my own interest in GIMP and GTK was waning, and I had started doing full-time paid work on other open-source things (if I recall correctly). So finally some annoying arsehole pushed me over the limit and I just killed the mailing list. It was such a relief.
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@meena @chirpbirb I think you can scratch the rage in my statement and it remains true.
My point is that you should make your departure from a project gracefully, if possible.
Not for this guy who annoyed you, but the others who interacted with you in good faith.
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open source software developers are getting fed up and are finally recognizing that they can just fucking leave.
- the owner of nvim-treesitter gets a really shitty comment from a user saying that the update to a required version broke their workflow
- the owner replies saying "hey just pin what you need instead of mainlining it if you need this for an older version"
- the shitty user replies back saying "go switch to something that doesn't require interacting with people"
- the owner says "OK." and ARCHIVES THE REPO
Why there are no releases? · nvim-treesitter/nvim-treesitter · Discussion #8627
Why there are no releases?
GitHub (github.com)
like, holy shit, what a power move.
>refuses to elaborate
>leaves -
open source software developers are getting fed up and are finally recognizing that they can just fucking leave.
- the owner of nvim-treesitter gets a really shitty comment from a user saying that the update to a required version broke their workflow
- the owner replies saying "hey just pin what you need instead of mainlining it if you need this for an older version"
- the shitty user replies back saying "go switch to something that doesn't require interacting with people"
- the owner says "OK." and ARCHIVES THE REPO
Why there are no releases? · nvim-treesitter/nvim-treesitter · Discussion #8627
Why there are no releases?
GitHub (github.com)
like, holy shit, what a power move.
@chirpbirb demanding support without giving the maintainer money is delusional too
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This is funny as hell but I think the right move would have been to ban the shitty user
@flammableengineering @chirpbirb true, but then we wouldn't be talking about this. if this going viral convinces at least some people to not become ban-worthy dicks, then it was probably for the better for that to happen.
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@chirpbirb To be fair, making an at least somewhat functional plugin crash on some versions just because you don't officially support them is quite hostile and practically malware.
Of course they can maintain whatever versions they want, and the other guy is a dick, but deliberately making it crash when users use it "wrong" is quite toxic. Especially for something as essential as a text editor. Livelihoods could be at stake
@lianna@micro.webgarden.click @chirpbirb@meow.social this sounds to me like an issue to take up with the package maintainer anyway
I can perfectly understand adding this to prevent a deluge of “help I use old version of $thing why it no work” -
open source software developers are getting fed up and are finally recognizing that they can just fucking leave.
- the owner of nvim-treesitter gets a really shitty comment from a user saying that the update to a required version broke their workflow
- the owner replies saying "hey just pin what you need instead of mainlining it if you need this for an older version"
- the shitty user replies back saying "go switch to something that doesn't require interacting with people"
- the owner says "OK." and ARCHIVES THE REPO
Why there are no releases? · nvim-treesitter/nvim-treesitter · Discussion #8627
Why there are no releases?
GitHub (github.com)
like, holy shit, what a power move.
@chirpbirb When will People stop treating like maintainers of a hobby project owe them anything. I mean yeah, blocking older versions just because isn't that nice, but maybe there is some buggy behaviour you don't see right now.
But nevertheless, it's a project of another person that they kindly shared with you not some Product you paid for. -
@mitsunee @gsuberland @chirpbirb @lianna
or pin an older version, like the maintainer suggested.... -
@alice @lunareclipse @chirpbirb huh, funny coincidence in timeline https://s3kshun8.games/blog/flatpak-won/
@raven667 @alice @lunareclipse @chirpbirb I rather like this writeup because as a Semi new Linux user (4 years and change) AppImage fucking sucks ass, I spent hours and hours trying to figure out how to integrate it into my DE and couldn't for the life of me work it out, because one piece of Software only shipped as an AppImage
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@alice @lunareclipse @chirpbirb huh, funny coincidence in timeline https://s3kshun8.games/blog/flatpak-won/
@raven667 @alice @lunareclipse @chirpbirb that article read weird to me. Are they saying that all corporations sinking billions into Linux are benevolent? As if the corruption of Mozilla by Google’s money never happened?
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@chirpbirb To be fair, making an at least somewhat functional plugin crash on some versions just because you don't officially support them is quite hostile and practically malware.
Of course they can maintain whatever versions they want, and the other guy is a dick, but deliberately making it crash when users use it "wrong" is quite toxic. Especially for something as essential as a text editor. Livelihoods could be at stake
@lianna@micro.webgarden.click @chirpbirb@meow.social Considering this isn't a stable plugin, nobody should be using it for anything related to livelihood yet. If someone chooses to do so, that is entirely on them.
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open source software developers are getting fed up and are finally recognizing that they can just fucking leave.
- the owner of nvim-treesitter gets a really shitty comment from a user saying that the update to a required version broke their workflow
- the owner replies saying "hey just pin what you need instead of mainlining it if you need this for an older version"
- the shitty user replies back saying "go switch to something that doesn't require interacting with people"
- the owner says "OK." and ARCHIVES THE REPO
Why there are no releases? · nvim-treesitter/nvim-treesitter · Discussion #8627
Why there are no releases?
GitHub (github.com)
like, holy shit, what a power move.
@chirpbirb There is more to this story than just those four bullet-points.