Harry Potter and the Jesus Christ You're Still Into That, What the Fuck

[criffer@mastodon.social]

@jalefkowit Harry Potter and the Adults Who Need To Read Another Fucking Book

[kirakira@furry.engineer]

@jalefkowit Harry Potter and the Trans Genocide Financier

[martinschlegel@mastodon.online]

@jalefkowit was never into Harry Potter, to many internal inconsistencies in the world building. Which to me is a big thing when it's strong enough to brake my immersion, which it did.

[xyhhx@438punk.house]

@sounddrill but they recognize rowling being a transphobe is awful at least, right?

@jalefkowit

[janvenetor@mastodontti.fi]

@jalefkowit makes one wish death of the artist was a thing

HP Sauce - Wikipedia

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[cy@fedicy.us.to]

I feel like I get blocked so much for saying stupid shit that seems like such a great idea at the time, and if someone's like "Hey that's stupid, and shit," I'm like "Oh shit man you're right."

CC: @sounddrill@infosec.exchange @jalefkowit@vmst.io

[tock@corteximplant.com]

@jalefkowit Actually, trim some words off and that is the perfect Paramount/Skydance/Warner Bros. fodder to pander to their intended suckers.

Harry Potter & the Jesus Christ.

No further pitch needed.

[sounddrill@infosec.exchange]

@xyhhx @jalefkowit oh yeah they do.

I don't have any friends that love JK Rowling after that, I think. It was a general statement after some self introspection

[mandrake@chitter.xyz]

@jalefkowit To quote Stewart Lee: "I haven't read [Harry Potter], but I have read the complete works of the Romantic poet and visionary William Blake, so fuck off!"

[silvermoon82@wandering.shop]

@jalefkowit
Harry Potter and the Ashes of our Former Friendship You Absolute Bigot-Licking Chud.

[suetanvil@freeradical.zone]

@sounddrill @xyhhx @jalefkowit

The artist is not the art is not the fandom. You can like horrible peoples' work without condoning the author. (Or, as someone on here put, Rowling is a horrible person who did one good thing.)

In any case, I don't think it's a moral failing to like HP, as long as you're not *paying* for it.

[suetanvil@freeradical.zone]

@jalefkowit

So my theory about HP (and also The Da Vinci Code) is that it's not so much the books its fans have discovered but the joy of reading, but they've learned the wrong lesson and attribute it to that specific mediocre book instead of written fiction as a whole.

[agturcz@circumstances.run]

@licho @sounddrill @jalefkowit I understand where you are coming from. But this is a strawman. This is an edge case to the edge case. To the point that your argument seems very centrist, big tentish.

I used to grant people I know quite huge benefit of doubts. For sake of keeping a relationship. For sake of not making the drama, especially if those were my ex friends. And let me tell you, it doesn't end on them loving H.P. It doesn't bother them that JKR is hurting trans people. When told it, they double down. They do not even have will to change anything. So I can hardly call such asymmetric relationship a friendship. And, at the very end, it's their choice to either change their views, or to radicalise further.

Yeah, of course, this is a case by case basis. But if someone is repeatably and knowingly acting in a way hurting me, that relationship is toxic, and it's time to quit.

And look, here is the field I grow my benefits of doubts. It's barren.

[agturcz@circumstances.run]

@suetanvil @sounddrill @xyhhx @jalefkowit Nope. Here is a good explanation: https://disabled.social/@Aaidanbird/116294513543754105

[merigold@c.im]

@licho @sounddrill @jalefkowit
The notion that we are supposed to keep friends with people who have awful wiews is very bothering to me. When their wievs become too awful to tolerate? What do they need to do in order for us to say "enough"? How can I keep friends with someone who hurts me or my friends? Or even strangers?

I had a friend once, he used to be very conservative politically and we quarreled about that a lot. At some point he decided to join an anti-refugee march in my hometown. At the same time, he kept friendly relationship with another friend's boyfriend, who happened to be a refugee.
Is this enough? He was nice to this guy, so maybe the nazi march was just something I should glance over?

I had another friend, a very close friend. Las Spring she went for a volunteering gig to Israel, to help some farmer pick strawberries, because his three sons were in the army. So, what to do? Are these views awful enough to say goodbye? Or should I disregard the fact that she went to help some guy, because people who should have helped him, were away, killing innocent babies?

And should I keep close to my uncle, who's homophobic and transphobic, but he cried happy tears when he saw me after many years in another country? He's after all my closest relative on the side of my deceased father. And he loves me, clearly he loves me so much, the only thing I need to do is pretend that he's just a guy, just my uncle, who never does anyone any harm, but taught his two sons to hate LGBT+ people?

Sorry for the rant, but see - these are just normal people. They never harmed anybody, they're nice and all. And yet...

[ahltorp@mastodon.nu]

@agturcz @suetanvil Are you saying we should permanently condemn everyone who has at any point been in the Harry Potter fandom?

Condemning giving money is one thing, condemning liking something is another thing completely.

[agturcz@circumstances.run]

@suetanvil @sounddrill @xyhhx @jalefkowit And if that's not enough, here is more: https://beige.party/@Tattooed_Mummy/116294236841194747

[xyhhx@438punk.house]

@agturcz @suetanvil

even if you aren't buying the books or related merchandise, you normalize this kind of behaviour, advertise the franchise (which will probably lead to continued/increased sales), and frankly are just telling everyone where your values lie: that actual people being erased isn't important to you.

i've been doing this song and dance with black metal nazi bands for a long time: if you think "the art isn't the artist" you're supporting nazis (or in rowling's case, transphobia)

to continue the nazi analogy: hitler did some water painting too, do you think thats pretty cool or nah?

@sounddrill @jalefkowit

[xyhhx@438punk.house]

@agturcz @suetanvil

also, like, harry potter *isn't* that good. as far as fantasy fiction go it's mediocre, but it *is* littered with racism:

Is Harry Potter Racist? Exploring Controversies - TheReadingTub

The world of Harry Potter has captivated millions, drawing readers into a rich tapestry of magic, friendship, and adventure. However, as the series has gained

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