think i've realized why people are concerned about sounding like an LLM it's because they use LLMs and don't want to be caught doing so
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you're absolutely right! its not just cowardice its contemptible!@zardoz03 @hipsterelectron It's really sad how certain writing styles as well as dialects are being associated with being an LLM which will have further social ramifications alongside making the population more illiterate.
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@zardoz03 @hipsterelectron It's really sad how certain writing styles as well as dialects are being associated with being an LLM which will have further social ramifications alongside making the population more illiterate.
@FoxFunction @zardoz03 i don't like illiteracy as an analysis here and furthermore i utterly reject any urging to modify my expression based upon how it has been appropriated
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@hipsterelectron I've been obliquely accused and it's cause when I write in a professional context I use very formal language because I stupidly believe words mean things, as do syntax and grammar
Also autism.@amy yes it's a way to pathologize autistic grammar conventions and is intended to cause infighting as autistic people are also far more likely to reject LLM usage
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oh LLMs commonly produce em dashes? i wouldn't know i don't read that shit
@hipsterelectron I love how the reason this happened is because that's just how well read yankees from the northwest US have done asides for literally centuries, differentiating them from affluent midwesterners like myself who prefer parentheticals.
Actually, one interesting and infuriating implication of this is that huge swaths of writing are now automatically suspect as being computer generated for no other reason than the syntax was in the training set. I saw a Ugandan writer complaining that apparently there are elements of Ugandan english in LLM speak now that caused him to immediately get accused of using AI.
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@FoxFunction @zardoz03 i don't like illiteracy as an analysis here and furthermore i utterly reject any urging to modify my expression based upon how it has been appropriated
@hipsterelectron @zardoz03 Yeah I agree we shouldn't be forced to change our expression out of fear of being associated with the patterns of a LLM.
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@hipsterelectron I love how the reason this happened is because that's just how well read yankees from the northwest US have done asides for literally centuries, differentiating them from affluent midwesterners like myself who prefer parentheticals.
Actually, one interesting and infuriating implication of this is that huge swaths of writing are now automatically suspect as being computer generated for no other reason than the syntax was in the training set. I saw a Ugandan writer complaining that apparently there are elements of Ugandan english in LLM speak now that caused him to immediately get accused of using AI.
@somebody the ugandan writer was particularly poignant
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@ctrl@alico.nexus @meluzzy@woof.tech @hazel@starlightnet.work allowing them to modify your speech patterns is losing to the machine men with machine minds who seek to control your expression. i refuse to accept it
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@hipsterelectron oh, I’m not going to stop using em dashes—I like them, damnit
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@hipsterelectron @zardoz03 Yeah I agree we shouldn't be forced to change our expression out of fear of being associated with the patterns of a LLM.
@hipsterelectron @zardoz03 Also I mean here that the illiteracy in the sense that LLM has the affect of discouraging people from further engaging with literature and making them ignorant to the diversity that occurs within literature.
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think i've realized why people are concerned about sounding like an LLM it's because they use LLMs and don't want to be caught doing so
@hipsterelectron "You avoid em dashes because you want to avoid sounding like an LLM, I avoid em dashes because I've no idea what key combination generates them. We are not the same"
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oh LLMs commonly produce em dashes? i wouldn't know i don't read that shit
@hipsterelectron You're missing out—I've found em-dashes to be excellent for reducing the number of parentheses in my writings (because I digress so much (ADHD)).
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@hipsterelectron "You avoid em dashes because you want to avoid sounding like an LLM, I avoid em dashes because I've no idea what key combination generates them. We are not the same"
@jsbarretto GOT EM
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@jsbarretto i have a super insane workflow for them which is searching through the emacs unicode char description buffer and then enabling char-fold search so i can type a hyphen and match an em dash when i need to copy/paste it later
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@jsbarretto i have a super insane workflow for them which is searching through the emacs unicode char description buffer and then enabling char-fold search so i can type a hyphen and match an em dash when i need to copy/paste it later
@jsbarretto should really not be doing this but i find it extremely amusing
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@hipsterelectron "You avoid em dashes because you want to avoid sounding like an LLM, I avoid em dashes because I've no idea what key combination generates them. We are not the same"
@jsbarretto @hipsterelectron
I avoid because emdashes because the bible prefers commas for long sentences: they're far less intrusive -
@amy yes it's a way to pathologize autistic grammar conventions and is intended to cause infighting as autistic people are also far more likely to reject LLM usage
@hipsterelectron I'll fight anyone
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@hipsterelectron I'll fight anyone
️@hipsterelectron this was humor
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@jsbarretto @hipsterelectron
I avoid because emdashes because the bible prefers commas for long sentences: they're far less intrusive@moses_izumi @jsbarretto commas are occasionally seen as grammatically incorrect for the kind of pauses achieved by an em dash or semicolon but this is changing and will likely become fully accepted in less than a century
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@hipsterelectron this was humor
@amy it doesn't have to be we could fight right now
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@hipsterelectron You're missing out—I've found em-dashes to be excellent for reducing the number of parentheses in my writings (because I digress so much (ADHD)).
@vtrlx i use em dashes frequently although i'm not sure reducing the number of parentheses is really an appropriate system of measurement as opposed to reducing the nesting of clauses more generally which unfortunately the full stop is really most appropriate to perform
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@jsbarretto @hipsterelectron
I avoid because emdashes because the bible prefers commas for long sentences: they're far less intrusive@moses_izumi @hipsterelectron I hear the followers of Lisp use parentheses and spend all day talking about how their clauses can be arbitrarily nested.
