this week's opinion.
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@NicksWorld @SapphireRose91 taht's his use though man, not everyone. I'm quite fast on my mac
@ratking @SapphireRose91 Yeah, but you can't just pick up a mac first day and begin to use it. I can pick up an iPad and just know how to use it, no changes at all and no complicated menus or tables, both of which I've seen with Mac.
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@NicksWorld Everyone has differing experiences. I know plenty of blind people who use the mac full time.
@SapphireRose91 Yeah, but I'm gonna ask, how long have they been using mac? and I didn't say that *all* blind people use windows or IOS or iPadOS but not Mac.
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@ratking @SapphireRose91 Yeah, but you can't just pick up a mac first day and begin to use it. I can pick up an iPad and just know how to use it, no changes at all and no complicated menus or tables, both of which I've seen with Mac.
@NicksWorld @ratking Yes, you can. There's a voice over tutorial for a reason, and that's not true of iOS either. When I got my first iPhone in 2011 it took me longer than a day to use it properly. I wasn't even what one would call competent until almost a month later.
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@SapphireRose91 Yeah, but I'm gonna ask, how long have they been using mac? and I didn't say that *all* blind people use windows or IOS or iPadOS but not Mac.
@NicksWorld Over a decade.
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@NicksWorld Over a decade.
@SapphireRose91 When I started using iPhones, it really only took me a day to learn before I got good at it.
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@SapphireRose91 When I started using iPhones, it really only took me a day to learn before I got good at it.
@NicksWorld You want a medal?
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@NicksWorld @ratking Yes, you can. There's a voice over tutorial for a reason, and that's not true of iOS either. When I got my first iPhone in 2011 it took me longer than a day to use it properly. I wasn't even what one would call competent until almost a month later.
@SapphireRose91 @ratking I'd still rather use an iPad. Now that's much better because of the simple interface. Just saying they could simplify it.
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@techsinger iPads and iPhones have simpler interfaces which is great because Mac just carries so much unnecessary stuff.
@NicksWorld Umm. OK. My respectful suggestion is that you buy a recent mac on a return policy, try it yourself, and watch a sighted person use it, even if the sighted person knows nothing about the Mac. The interface for the sighted user will have very few issues, in fact, having had experience with quite a few sighted people, I wouldn't be surprised if the sighted person liked it instantly. The interface, in my experience, is fine. It's VO's issues that make the Mac a serious pain for blind users. Interaction, just for example, is almost exclusive to VO on OSX.
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@SapphireRose91 @ratking I'd still rather use an iPad. Now that's much better because of the simple interface. Just saying they could simplify it.
@NicksWorld @ratking And see, I'm not an iPad person. I've tried different sizes. I even had to use one for work at one stage, and I could never get the hang of it.
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@NicksWorld You want a medal?
@SapphireRose91 I don't need no damn metal. I just know I'm good at it and it didn't take long. Yay for kid sponge brain.
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@SapphireRose91 I don't need no damn metal. I just know I'm good at it and it didn't take long. Yay for kid sponge brain.
@NicksWorld You need to leave that ego of yours at the door kid.
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@NicksWorld You need to leave that ego of yours at the door kid.
@SapphireRose91 I'm just stating facts.
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@ratking @SapphireRose91 Yeah, but you can't just pick up a mac first day and begin to use it. I can pick up an iPad and just know how to use it, no changes at all and no complicated menus or tables, both of which I've seen with Mac.
@NicksWorld @ratking @SapphireRose91 You can pick up an iPad and use it because you are proficient using an iPhone and many of the gestures and commands are similar. Anything you do for the first time that is entirely new is going to take some effort and commitment to learn it.
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@ratking @SapphireRose91 Yeah, but you can't just pick up a mac first day and begin to use it. I can pick up an iPad and just know how to use it, no changes at all and no complicated menus or tables, both of which I've seen with Mac.
@NicksWorld @SapphireRose91 because youv'e used IOs a lot, and never used a mac.
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@NicksWorld @ratking @SapphireRose91 You can pick up an iPad and use it because you are proficient using an iPhone and many of the gestures and commands are similar. Anything you do for the first time that is entirely new is going to take some effort and commitment to learn it.
@pawpower @ratking @SapphireRose91 but why use Mac? It offers nothing I already don't have with windows. I can pick up a new windows computer today and still use it just as I am right now. I don't have to spend hours and hours on a course to learn to use the thing because it doesn't require a whole manual to learn it, also, I've used my brother's computer and it just makes no sense to me.
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@pawpower @ratking @SapphireRose91 but why use Mac? It offers nothing I already don't have with windows. I can pick up a new windows computer today and still use it just as I am right now. I don't have to spend hours and hours on a course to learn to use the thing because it doesn't require a whole manual to learn it, also, I've used my brother's computer and it just makes no sense to me.
@NicksWorld @ratking @SapphireRose91 Personally, and this is for me only, I use a Mac because it is the operating system on a computer that works most consistently with braille every single time. It doesn't matter which display it is it doesn't matter what kind of connection, Bluetooth or USB I can get braille every single time and for me that is the most important thing. I can work around everything else, but if I don't have braille, I don't have access and I know windows has NVDA and jaws and every time I try and use a display with one of these at some point I have to have a hearing person or someone who can see help me fix the configuration settings to fix it and it's annoying. So I will always use a Mac until Windows is as good with braille support as the Mac is.
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@NicksWorld @ratking @SapphireRose91 Personally, and this is for me only, I use a Mac because it is the operating system on a computer that works most consistently with braille every single time. It doesn't matter which display it is it doesn't matter what kind of connection, Bluetooth or USB I can get braille every single time and for me that is the most important thing. I can work around everything else, but if I don't have braille, I don't have access and I know windows has NVDA and jaws and every time I try and use a display with one of these at some point I have to have a hearing person or someone who can see help me fix the configuration settings to fix it and it's annoying. So I will always use a Mac until Windows is as good with braille support as the Mac is.
@pawpower @NicksWorld @ratking Yes, and Mac comes accessible out of the box. Narrator isn't as good as Voice over. Never mind the fact that there have been many improvements to both. Windows just can't catch up.
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@SapphireRose91 I'm just stating facts.
@NicksWorld @SapphireRose91 I personally find using the mac to be a little confusing. I don't know how it all works yet, but if there are resources out there to learn how to use the Mac, then I'm more than willing to learn. I do like my Mac, it’s just a little clunky in my opinion to use compared to my windows machine. But I've been using windows for a little over 15 years.
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@NicksWorld Umm. OK. My respectful suggestion is that you buy a recent mac on a return policy, try it yourself, and watch a sighted person use it, even if the sighted person knows nothing about the Mac. The interface for the sighted user will have very few issues, in fact, having had experience with quite a few sighted people, I wouldn't be surprised if the sighted person liked it instantly. The interface, in my experience, is fine. It's VO's issues that make the Mac a serious pain for blind users. Interaction, just for example, is almost exclusive to VO on OSX.
@techsinger @NicksWorld Nick and his blanket statements. Voiceover on Mac sucks dude! Mac OS itself is a solid OS. Voiceover on Mac is an abismal failure, because they haven't fixed anything in years.
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@NicksWorld @SapphireRose91 I personally find using the mac to be a little confusing. I don't know how it all works yet, but if there are resources out there to learn how to use the Mac, then I'm more than willing to learn. I do like my Mac, it’s just a little clunky in my opinion to use compared to my windows machine. But I've been using windows for a little over 15 years.
@LeonianUniverse @NicksWorld So, this is all your fault! LOL
