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It is for parents to raise their children.

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  • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

    It is for parents to raise their children. Not platforms.

    The European Age Verification App is ready.

    It will allow users to prove their age when accessing online platforms. Just like shops ask for proof of age for people buying alcoholic beverages.

    And it ticks all the boxes:
    ✅ Highest privacy standards in the world
    ✅ Works on any device
    ✅ Easy to use
    ✅ Fully open source

    More info: https://link.europa.eu/HmnrJc

    rawenwolf@meow.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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    @EUCommission
    Can you guarantee the age information doesn't get stored?
    Can you guarantee the age information isn't tied to identity?
    If you can't guarantee the first, then it's not equivalent to "showing the physical ID" (the physical ID isn't copied/written down in the process)
    If you can't guarantee the second, then you're not doing age verification but ownership verification/identity verification which is a different task.

    Moreover:
    "It is for parents to raise their children."
    Then make sure parents have safe environment to do so. This means not needing them to work 24/7, losing their mind to stress so they have time to do parenting which is in fact a full-time job that can't be offloaded to anything or anyone else.

    Right now the only thing you and many other "Liberal" administrations are doing is an equivalent of "building a kid's corner in a minefield" or "marking a minefield 'Adults Only'".

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    • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

      It is for parents to raise their children. Not platforms.

      The European Age Verification App is ready.

      It will allow users to prove their age when accessing online platforms. Just like shops ask for proof of age for people buying alcoholic beverages.

      And it ticks all the boxes:
      ✅ Highest privacy standards in the world
      ✅ Works on any device
      ✅ Easy to use
      ✅ Fully open source

      More info: https://link.europa.eu/HmnrJc

      lavergnetho@fediscience.orgL This user is from outside of this forum
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      lavergnetho@fediscience.org
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      #4

      @EUCommission

      I hope you give enough time for a full independent audit of the software solution. If it really is open source, ppl will be able to analyze it and point at vulnerabilities.

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      • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

        It is for parents to raise their children. Not platforms.

        The European Age Verification App is ready.

        It will allow users to prove their age when accessing online platforms. Just like shops ask for proof of age for people buying alcoholic beverages.

        And it ticks all the boxes:
        ✅ Highest privacy standards in the world
        ✅ Works on any device
        ✅ Easy to use
        ✅ Fully open source

        More info: https://link.europa.eu/HmnrJc

        virgil_tibbs@norden.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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        @EUCommission

        ?!?! Es ist nicht die Sache der Eltern Plattformen zu erziehen?
        oder
        es ist nicht die Sache der Plattformen Kinder zu erziehen?
        Und wenn es Sache der Eltern ist Kinder zu erziehen, warum mischt ihr euch dann mit einer Altersverifizierung ein?

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        • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

          It is for parents to raise their children. Not platforms.

          The European Age Verification App is ready.

          It will allow users to prove their age when accessing online platforms. Just like shops ask for proof of age for people buying alcoholic beverages.

          And it ticks all the boxes:
          ✅ Highest privacy standards in the world
          ✅ Works on any device
          ✅ Easy to use
          ✅ Fully open source

          More info: https://link.europa.eu/HmnrJc

          npars01@mstdn.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
          npars01@mstdn.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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          @EUCommission

          Age verification is a truly terrible idea.

          It doesn't protect children.

          It shields American tech companies from lawsuits when they are negligent in their duty to public safety.

          These are laws that will enrich Meta and Google.

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          • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

            @EUCommission

            Age verification is a truly terrible idea.

            It doesn't protect children.

            It shields American tech companies from lawsuits when they are negligent in their duty to public safety.

            These are laws that will enrich Meta and Google.

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            @Npars01 @EUCommission

            I've gotta disagree

            Sure, age verification can be implemented terribly. It can empower fascist techbros.

            But as a concept, it is a critical part of public safety when done right.

            Think of IRL, where thousands of foods, medicines, products and services have 3 layers of regulation - some things are banned, some are age gated and some are allowed but regulated.

            We need to accept that reality and find a way to safely implement in the online world.

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            • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

              It is for parents to raise their children. Not platforms.

              The European Age Verification App is ready.

              It will allow users to prove their age when accessing online platforms. Just like shops ask for proof of age for people buying alcoholic beverages.

              And it ticks all the boxes:
              ✅ Highest privacy standards in the world
              ✅ Works on any device
              ✅ Easy to use
              ✅ Fully open source

              More info: https://link.europa.eu/HmnrJc

              zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.orgZ This user is from outside of this forum
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              @EUCommission

              It is for parents to raise their children. Not platforms.

              Are you our children parents? This is taken out of context for PR reasons and it's the big tech industries or corporations that you name 'Platforms' that must take their responsibility, not the whole population even the ones without children.
              This is discriminating and fascist style of merge the state with big Corps made by your own.

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              • zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.orgZ zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org

                @EUCommission

                It is for parents to raise their children. Not platforms.

                Are you our children parents? This is taken out of context for PR reasons and it's the big tech industries or corporations that you name 'Platforms' that must take their responsibility, not the whole population even the ones without children.
                This is discriminating and fascist style of merge the state with big Corps made by your own.

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                @EUCommission You are proud to announce us that Vonderliar and some other chump took over more of our privacy and in the end will render us as slaves.
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                • tcatinreality@mastodon.socialT tcatinreality@mastodon.social

                  @Npars01 @EUCommission

                  I've gotta disagree

                  Sure, age verification can be implemented terribly. It can empower fascist techbros.

                  But as a concept, it is a critical part of public safety when done right.

                  Think of IRL, where thousands of foods, medicines, products and services have 3 layers of regulation - some things are banned, some are age gated and some are allowed but regulated.

                  We need to accept that reality and find a way to safely implement in the online world.

                  dalias@hachyderm.ioD This user is from outside of this forum
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                  dalias@hachyderm.io
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                  @TCatInReality @Npars01 @EUCommission There is fundamentally no way to implement it not-badly. "Age verification" inherently entails identity verification. The claims that it doesn't are a lie. And it also inherently involves infringement of children's rights to knowledge, community, and participation in society.

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                  • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                    @TCatInReality @Npars01 @EUCommission There is fundamentally no way to implement it not-badly. "Age verification" inherently entails identity verification. The claims that it doesn't are a lie. And it also inherently involves infringement of children's rights to knowledge, community, and participation in society.

                    zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.orgZ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    It's not a lie their goal is not to protect children!
                    Participation in society by being a herd? where is my freedom and human rights to retain my privacy?? What are you meaning exactly?
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                    • zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.orgZ zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org
                      It's not a lie their goal is not to protect children!
                      Participation in society by being a herd? where is my freedom and human rights to retain my privacy?? What are you meaning exactly?
                      dalias@hachyderm.ioD This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @zer0unplanned I'm confused what you're responding to, but maybe I worded by post poorly.

                      The lie I'm talking about is their claim that they can do "age verification" without "identity verification".

                      Any form of "age verification" inherently eliminates anonymity.

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                      • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                        @zer0unplanned I'm confused what you're responding to, but maybe I worded by post poorly.

                        The lie I'm talking about is their claim that they can do "age verification" without "identity verification".

                        Any form of "age verification" inherently eliminates anonymity.

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                        @dalias I miss understood on my part as well...
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                        • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                          It is for parents to raise their children. Not platforms.

                          The European Age Verification App is ready.

                          It will allow users to prove their age when accessing online platforms. Just like shops ask for proof of age for people buying alcoholic beverages.

                          And it ticks all the boxes:
                          ✅ Highest privacy standards in the world
                          ✅ Works on any device
                          ✅ Easy to use
                          ✅ Fully open source

                          More info: https://link.europa.eu/HmnrJc

                          zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.orgZ This user is from outside of this forum
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                          zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org
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                          @EUCommission Instead of legalizing weed..
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