okay so i read this whole thing and what i am getting is he made a bot to essentially vandalize wikipedia because it was easier than learning markdown.

[theorangetheme@en.osm.town]

@nora Genuinely not sure if these people even have a theory of mind.

[nerts@yiff.life]

@nora Ahhh, the classic "Yeah it makes mistakes and you have to double check it" couching plus an "I make the bot write things I don't fully understand and trust it" admission
"Now, it might not be perfect, and it might have errors, which is something to look out for."

"There’s all of these formatting standards and you have to know how to do the citations properly. And it’s, like, a barrier to entry. There’s a lot of friction. "

[nora@blob.love]

@Hearth i guess wikicode is a bit different. i had not realized because i have never needed more than just glancing at how something was done elsewhere on the page and doing that again, which is also how i do markdown lol

[rycochet@furs.social]

@nora 'I didn't want to do any work and I certainly didn't want to ask if what I was doing was okay, why did people get mad?!'

[theorangetheme@en.osm.town]

@nora It's hard to know if these people really don't understand other people's thoughts and feelings, or if they're just using it as an excuse to do antisocial things anyway. I used to have a friend who did something similar: he would say "I don't understand <X>", when he actually understood it quite well, he just didn't like it, or wanted some way to be manipulative. Then, the onus is on the other person to explain, which takes effort and eventually just makes them give up.

[nora@blob.love]

@jenn i think the fact that we were told these people were smarter and better than us and then they all got deeply invested in a digital snake oil cult and stopped believing other people are real makes me more mad

[nerts@yiff.life]

@disorderlyf @nora It's not quite markdown but it's close, the old system was a lot like HTML or BBCode. It's its own thing but broadly editors on there don't mind fixing a formatting issue if you're otherwise doing things right (i.e. using the talk page to ask if something is worth changing, not going off on your own and making whole ass article)

[hearth@plush.city]

@nora I think markdown was designed to be similar to wikicode because people were familiar with wikicode

also i'm not 100% sure it's called wikicode but i think it is
-F

[nora@blob.love]

@disorderlyf apparently it predates markdown and is just similar. but you can get a pretty good idea of how to do if by just hitting edit on a page. it won't save the edit until you tell it to so clicking edit won't save your IP or whatever in the edit records unless you change something and then hit a very clear button. you can also use the edit view to get the entire text of an entry which is good for if you have sections collapsed and you need to search the whole text

[dragonfrog@mastodon.sdf.org]

@nora an aside to your main point, but i feel like there used to be a lot of those things - printable quick references for programs or languages or subject specific unit conversions that were formatted to be cut out and tapped to the bezel around a monitor. Maybe modern monitors just don't need as much supporting hardware so the bezel doesn't reliably have enough real estate, I dunno...

[nadiapurge@musician.social]

@nora have they considered.. NOT editing a platform they are not qualified for, trained for, or suited for??

[desert@social.foxtail.garden]

@nora That was a rough article xD

[funkula@goblin.camp]

@nora yes, but also: the guy interviewing him is really fucking stupid too

[nonehitwonder@tenforward.social]

@nora describing needing to know how to do a thing as a barrier to entry for doing that thing is the dumbest thing I've heard this minute.

[wehpudicabok@kind.social]

@nora i kept waiting for him to say he fact-checked the stuff his program was outputting and of course that moment never came. even setting aside the AI use it's astonishing how little respect these people have for other humans, that they think we'd appreciate having unverified information just dumped on the site

[ticho@mas.to]

@nora Look at the silver lining - the Wikipedia moderation system seems to work, it caught this moron and stopped him.

What an interview with a moron is doing in a public article, that I don't understand. Back in my days, village idiots were shunned, or at least ignored, not given a megaphone.

[nonehitwonder@tenforward.social]

@nora I shouldn't be surprised that the same people who think "practicing at drawing for many years" is the same as "gatekeeping art" find the requirement to pursue knowledge in order to competently do a thing to be oppressive.

[leadore@sunny.garden]

@nora

Jacobs: I basically encouraged it and gave it approval if it ever asked me. But basically everything it did was on its own. Yeah. It sounds crazy. I mean, it sounds insane.

Adair: It sounds insane in the sense that you’re describing talking with something that is being generated from lines of code originally.

[bridgeenjoyer@gamepad.club]

@nonehitwonder @nora this is ai slops entire purpose lol. Make the people even dumber. If thats even possible.

[purpleglazedbeaver@mstdn.dk]

@nonehitwonder @nora They'll probably think "practicing to read and write" is the same as "gatekeeping knowledge"